Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?

[yelped]

Nukhba is Hamas's elite unit. Most Hamas terrorist combatants are not Nukhba members.

Tweeter is wrong, but the point unfortunately is true, as proven everywhere else.

[PlatinumGuy]

Tweeter is wrong, but the point unfortunately is true, as proven everywhere else.

I have not seen any indication that the majority of invaders were non-combatants. All I know of is anecdotes of a handful of cases

[yelped]

I have not seen any indication that the majority of invaders were non-combatants. All I know of is anecdotes of a handful of cases

Majority of initial invaders were not. They were followed by a ton later.

[PlatinumGuy]

Majority of initial invaders were not. They were followed by a ton later.

Source?

[dovy2]

Source?

there are many videos.
no, I don't have off hand, but you can search yourself

[PlatinumGuy]

there are many videos.
no, I don't have off hand, but you can search yourself

That's anecdotes. 6000 people invaded from Gaza, you saw a few thousand civilians in videos?

[UKinNYS]

  ...וַיֹּ֣אמֶר ה' אִם־אֶמְצָ֥א בִסְדֹ֛ם חֲמִשִּׁ֥ים צַדִּיקִ֖ם בְּת֣וֹךְ הָעִ֑יר
וַיֹּ֙אמֶר֙ לֹ֣א אַשְׁחִ֔ית בַּעֲב֖וּר הָעֲשָׂרָֽה׃...

[Sammy82]

  ...וַיֹּ֣אמֶר ה' אִם־אֶמְצָ֥א בִסְדֹ֛ם חֲמִשִּׁ֥ים צַדִּיקִ֖ם בְּת֣וֹךְ הָעִ֑יר
וַיֹּ֙אמֶר֙ לֹ֣א אַשְׁחִ֔ית בַּעֲב֖וּר הָעֲשָׂרָֽה׃...

Who knows of the Gazans that snitched to the IDF, mossad, and/or secretly did things to help the hostages. Obviously these stories can't come out for a long while. But time will tell. Hopefully. (Although to be honest, I'm not too confident)

[justaregularguy]

  ...וַיֹּ֣אמֶר ה' אִם־אֶמְצָ֥א בִסְדֹ֛ם חֲמִשִּׁ֥ים צַדִּיקִ֖ם בְּת֣וֹךְ הָעִ֑יר
וַיֹּ֙אמֶר֙ לֹ֣א אַשְׁחִ֔ית בַּעֲב֖וּר הָעֲשָׂרָֽה׃...

I don’t see how we’re comparing population size between entire countries where even a few hundred civilians hid yidden, vs the 2 mil gazans.

[Just A Jew]

  ...וַיֹּ֣אמֶר ה' אִם־אֶמְצָ֥א בִסְדֹ֛ם חֲמִשִּׁ֥ים צַדִּיקִ֖ם בְּת֣וֹךְ הָעִ֑יר
וַיֹּ֙אמֶר֙ לֹ֣א אַשְׁחִ֔ית בַּעֲב֖וּר הָעֲשָׂרָֽה׃...

This is one of the least intelligent comparisons I've seen yet. Zero logical connection.

[Yehuda57]

I don't understand, lots of Gazans are hiding Israelis in their attics and cellars

[Euclid]

I don't understand, lots of Gazans are hiding Israelis in their attics and cellars

They’ll put you in the cages
They’ll tell ‘em they’re your brother

[aygart]

  ...וַיֹּ֣אמֶר ה' אִם־אֶמְצָ֥א בִסְדֹ֛ם חֲמִשִּׁ֥ים צַדִּיקִ֖ם בְּת֣וֹךְ הָעִ֑יר
וַיֹּ֙אמֶר֙ לֹ֣א אַשְׁחִ֔ית בַּעֲב֖וּר הָעֲשָׂרָֽה׃...

We didn't hear about the Poles and Germans until after the Nazis were out of power.

[ExGingi]

Who knows of the Gazans that snitched to the IDF, mossad, and/or secretly did things to help the hostages. Obviously these stories can't come out for a long while. But time will tell. Hopefully. (Although to be honest, I'm not too confident)

The IDF has lots of Human Intel on the ground. You won't hear about them. Some have been blackmailed to collaborate with the IDF, it's possible that others do it for pure motives.

That being said, have there been ANY public condemnations from the Arab world (or from the UN, or ICRC) to the murder in captivity of Shiri Bibas and her kids, or any of the other hostages who were murdered in captivity?

[Just A Jew]

That being said, have there been ANY public condemnations from the Arab world (or from the UN, or ICRC) to the murder in captivity of Shiri Bibas and her kids, or any of the other hostages who were murdered in captivity?

Why would there be?

[ExGingi]

Why would there be?

Because it's wrong, immoral, and against humanity to murder hostages, and more so little children and their mother.

[Just A Jew]

Because it's wrong, immoral, and against humanity to murder hostages, and more so little children and their mother.

Aha, and those are the parties you expect to condemn such actions. Got it.

[yfr bachur]

we dont actually know yet that they were murdered by hamas, and not inadvertently killed by IDF action, though we may know more in the next few days

[zh cohen]

we dont actually know yet that they were murdered by hamas, and not inadvertently killed by IDF action, though we may know more in the next few days

They were alive when kidnapped, so if they are dead now then, both a legal and moral level, Hamas murdered them.

[ExGingi]

They were alive when kidnapped, so if they are dead now then, both a legal and moral level, Hamas murdered them.

Or as information is coming out now, Hamas subcontractors.

This entire thing strikes a loud chord with me as it was just last week that I was exposed to letters of my great aunt on how her son, who lived his entire short 3-year life in the Kovno Ghetto, was ripped from her arms and sent into the burning Kovno Ghetto.