Poll

Are Palestinian Civilians complicit in Hamas actions?

Most of the civilian population and Hamas are culpable and should be treated similarly. (Civilian=Hamas)
18 (25.7%)
Many of them support Hamas but are not active combatants and their treatment should reflect that distinction. (Civilian=Supporter)
48 (68.6%)
The majority of individuals are innocent and bear no blame. (Civilian=Innocent)
4 (5.7%)

Total Members Voted: 70

Author Topic: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?  (Read 8932 times)

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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2023, 09:54:52 PM »
IMHO they had no idea how big this was going to be. Now if they ask for money or anything they will be a walking dead person.
oh cmon they didnít know how big this would be? Itís not like they break into Israel every Monday and Thursday.
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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2023, 10:03:45 PM »
IMHO they had no idea how big this was going to be. Now if they ask for money or anything they will be a walking dead person.

I guess thatís theoretically possible, though they still kidnapped someone (albeit for ransom) and brought them to a terrorist controlled area. That doesnít make them an accomplice to a terror kidnapping. Is saying they didnít know what would happen absolve them?
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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2023, 07:40:48 PM »
if you call me a republican I call them Hamas

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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2023, 11:03:24 PM »
The premise of this discussion is wrong to start with. חז״ל already told us: כל המרחם על אכזרים סופו שמתאכזר על רחמנים. "He who is merciful to the cruel will end up being cruel to the merciful"
It's a nation of people who put the goal of slaughtering Jews at the top of their list. Jews need not worry about civilians being innocent or not when they are fighting to protect themselves from people who have the goal of killing them.


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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2023, 11:09:50 PM »
The premise of this discussion is wrong to start with. חז״ל already told us: כל המרחם על אכזרים סופו שמתאכזר על רחמנים. "He who is merciful to the cruel will end up being cruel to the merciful"
It's a nation of people who put the goal of slaughtering Jews at the top of their list. Jews need not worry about civilians being innocent or not when they are fighting to protect themselves from people who have the goal of killing them.
Are there innocents in there who arenít cruel? If so how is כל המרחם applicable to them?

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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2023, 11:47:10 PM »
Are there innocents in there who arenít cruel? If so how is כל המרחם applicable to them?
Oh wow, good point!!
Also maybe the ones who are armed really don't want to shoot at Jews, so we should not shoot at them, and even more so those who have shot at Jews maybe won't want to shoot and slaughter Jews in the future cus maybe maybe deep down they are total רחמנים. So truth be told חז״ל must have just been wrong and didn't get to this deep level of humanity.

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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2023, 11:53:28 PM »
Oh wow, good point!!
Also maybe the ones who are armed really don't want to shoot at Jews, so we should not shoot at them, and even more so those who have shot at Jews maybe won't want to shoot and slaughter Jews in the future cus maybe maybe deep down they are total רחמנים. So truth be told חז״ל must have just been wrong and didn't get to this deep level of humanity.

Huh?
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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2023, 11:55:51 PM »
So truth be told חז״ל must have just been wrong and didn't get to this deep level of humanity.
Which חז״ל?

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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2023, 12:04:57 AM »
Which חז״ל?

I donít agree with him, but obviously the חז״ל he posted a few posts up, כל המרחם וכו׳
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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2023, 12:06:02 AM »
Oh wow, good point!!
Also maybe the ones who are armed really don't want to shoot at Jews, so we should not shoot at them, and even more so those who have shot at Jews maybe won't want to shoot and slaughter Jews in the future cus maybe maybe deep down they are total רחמנים. So truth be told חז״ל must have just been wrong and didn't get to this deep level of humanity.

The more obvious solution is that you either misunderstood חז״ל or youíre applying their guidance incorrectly.
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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2023, 12:07:51 AM »
I donít agree with him, but obviously the חז״ל he posted a few posts up, כל המרחם וכו׳
Just confused how that would apply to those that arenít cruel, if they exist.

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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2023, 08:27:45 PM »
These two videos below show that there is some opposition to Hamas in Gaza.

Also, to those pointing to polls as proof that Gazans support Hamas with a strong majority, I think it is worth keeping in mind that these are Palestinian polls and figures. I would trust the numbers as much as I trust the "Palestinian Health Ministry".


This video has a merely 1,194 views. Let's spread it. this should get thousands, if not millions of views.



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