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Are Palestinian Civilians complicit in Hamas actions?

Most of the civilian population and Hamas are culpable and should be treated similarly. (Civilian=Hamas)
18 (25.7%)
Many of them support Hamas but are not active combatants and their treatment should reflect that distinction. (Civilian=Supporter)
48 (68.6%)
The majority of individuals are innocent and bear no blame. (Civilian=Innocent)
4 (5.7%)

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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2023, 10:17:16 PM »
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CyNSuDxUV2LvLx37ge6YfT6XYKuDiHqK/view

I saw this earlier today and meant to share it. Very strong, a non-Jewish/-Israeli (AFAIK) Brit, setting the rest of the Brits straight
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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2023, 11:20:58 PM »
I saw this earlier today and meant to share it. Very strong, a non-Jewish/-Israeli (AFAIK) Brit, setting the rest of the Brits straight

Yup. More powerful when "they" get it right.

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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2023, 02:00:11 PM »
https://www.timesofisrael.com/pa-premier-israel-cant-destroy-hamas-as-its-an-idea-and-not-just-in-gaza/

In one sentence he says itís an idea and that the leadership is in Qatar. Make up your mind.

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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2023, 11:57:38 AM »
This is more or less a full retraction from how the world interpreted HonestReporting's article.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/watchdog-accepts-news-orgs-werent-tipped-off-about-oct-7-we-just-raised-questions/
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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #48 on: November 27, 2023, 02:39:34 PM »
The perspective of Gaza civilians who hate Hamas.

https://twitter.com/omid_dana/status/1728907934359302456
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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #49 on: November 27, 2023, 03:24:43 PM »
The perspective of Gaza civilians who hate Hamas.

https://twitter.com/omid_dana/status/1728907934359302456
Not really related to this thread. They still support whatever Hamas did and would like to do to Jews. They just don't like what Hamas does to themselves.

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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #50 on: November 27, 2023, 07:20:20 PM »
Not really related to this thread. They still support whatever Hamas did and would like to do to Jews. They just don't like what Hamas does to themselves.
Not sure I agree with you. Some here say that theyíre responsible because they voted for them but clearly many do not want them in power. Also, this shows that they are not a monolith- even if some approve, you canít assume they all do.

For the record, I voted the middle option. I think the majority do support Hamas but that doesnít make them combatants.
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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #51 on: November 27, 2023, 07:57:43 PM »
Not sure I agree with you. Some here say that theyíre responsible because they voted for them but clearly many do not want them in power. Also, this shows that they are not a monolith- even if some approve, you canít assume they all do.

For the record, I voted the middle option. I think the majority do support Hamas but that doesnít make them combatants.
I don't think you understood my point. That the vast majority hate Jews and would do the same as Hamas did if they had a chance is a fact. Whether they like Hamas or not is not the same discussion.

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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #52 on: November 27, 2023, 08:09:23 PM »
I don't think you understood my point. That the vast majority hate Jews and would do the same as Hamas did if they had a chance is a fact. Whether they like Hamas or not is not the same discussion.
This thread asks if the civilians are responsible for Hamas actions, not if they like Jews.
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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #53 on: November 27, 2023, 09:50:18 PM »
This thread asks if the civilians are responsible for Hamas actions, not if they like Jews.
It asks if they would replicate Hamas actions.

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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #54 on: November 27, 2023, 10:47:59 PM »
It asks if they would replicate Hamas actions.
Where?
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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #55 on: November 27, 2023, 10:57:37 PM »
This thread asks if the civilians are responsible for Hamas actions, not if they like Jews.

You arenít being fair, he didnít just say they hate Jews, he also said:

I don't think you understood my point. That the vast majority hate Jews [/b]and would do the same as Hamas did if they had a chance[/b] is a fact. Whether they like Hamas or not is not the same discussion.

Sounds to me like heís arguing that the civilians share the beliefs of their government (Hamas) and condone their actions (the October 7th massacres), sounds like a valid care for holding the civilians responsible (even if you argue that that responsibility doesnít mean they deserve to die).
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Re: Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?
« Reply #56 on: November 27, 2023, 11:05:17 PM »
You arenít being fair, he didnít just say they hate Jews, he also said:

Sounds to me like heís arguing that the civilians share the beliefs of their government (Hamas) and condone their actions (the October 7th massacres), sounds like a valid care for holding the civilians responsible (even if you argue that that responsibility doesnít mean they deserve to die).
Sharing beliefs doesnít make you responsible for their actions. Like I said, I believe the majority support them. But there are definitely many who do not, and those who say they are responsible because they elected them should incorporate this faction into their position.

You are not responsible for someoneís actions just because you agree with them in theory. You *are* responsible for someoneís actions if you materially support them or vote them into power.
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