Are You Thinking Of Buying A Gun Due To Current Events?

[Euclid]

Fight, or flee.

I personally have taken steps to enable fleeing. I have no interest in staying to fight - as inconvenient as it would be for me to move my family.

[Dan]

Fight, or flee.

I personally have taken steps to enable fleeing. I have no interest in staying to fight - as inconvenient as it would be for me to move my family.

Flee to where and for what?

I think the concerns are a lone wolf or a pogrom that overwhelms local police.

[CountValentine]

Flee to where and for what?

I think the concerns are a lone wolf or a pogrom that overwhelms local police.

Pogrom meaning: an organized massacre of a particular ethnic group?

[aygart]

Flee to where and for what?

I think the concerns are a lone wolf or a pogrom that overwhelms local police.

Let's see how many get charged with bias intimidation from these college riots.

[Euclid]

Flee to where and for what?

I think the concerns are a lone wolf or a pogrom that overwhelms local police.

We've been fleeing from pogroms for a millennium. Not a new concept lol.
And they're just as easily able to arm themselves with guns.

[Dan]

We've been fleeing from pogroms for a millennium. Not a new concept lol.
And they're just as easily able to arm themselves with guns.

Sure, but in the past they looked like what happened in most of the kibutzim on simchas torah. Read the Whatsapps from Nir Oz, nearly everyone was unarmed and asking for helped from those who were armed. And they had safe rooms, which we don't have. Very few successfully fled from pogroms in the past.

An attack like that on an armed community or armed house looks very different.

[Dan]

Pogrom meaning: an organized massacre of a particular ethnic group?

Meaning a copycat of the Simchas Torah attack against Jews. Or what happened today in Russia.

[Euclid]

Sure, but in the past they looked like what happened in most of the kibutzim on simchas torah. Read the Whatsapps from Nir Oz, nearly everyone was unarmed and asking for helped from those who were armed. And they had safe rooms, which we don't have.

An attack like that on an armed community or armed house looks very different.

Agreed. But then again I would never live with my family in the circumstances that they were living in; I'd move well before then.

[CountValentine]

Meaning a copycat of the Simchas Torah attack against Jews. Or what happened today in Russia.

I think all Americans should be on alert but not to the point of running out and buying guns.
You think these protests are bad just look what is happening in Pakistan at the US embassy.

[AJK]

I think having a gun today, which you obviously safely store (and there are a dozen ways to do it) *and know how to safely and effectively operate* is bare minimum hishtadlus.

[EliJelly]

Gonna stick with my pepper spray .

Gonna stick with my Bug-A-Salt

[CountValentine]

Guns are not for everyone. What about checking with neighbors in case something happens?

[Dan]

Guns are not for everyone. What about checking with neighbors in case something happens?

Sure, that should help.
But notably in these Kibbutzim, that wasn't an option when everyone is sheltering in place.

[CountValentine]

Sure, that should help.
But notably in these Kibbutzim, that wasn't an option when everyone is sheltering in place.

I meant in the US for those who are not comfortable with guns.

[Dan]

I meant in the US for those who are not comfortable with guns.

Yes, I'm personally uncomfortable with guns.
But I have spoken with trained armed neighbors and synagogue attendees about contingency plans.

But in the aftermath of this pogrom, many in our community are indeed signing up for classes to be trained to use guns, so my feelings are still evolving.

It's made more complicated here due to past tragedy here:

More than 50% of firearm deaths in the US are from suicide.
More than 50% of suicides in the US involve a gun.
The frum community is sadly, not immune to this.

Safety from kids is obviously a huge issue, but do those numbers affect whether you will become a gunowner?

[imayid2]

So you are telling me G-d decided that babies should be mutilated by Hamas?
I will stick with my belief as it makes perfect sense. Hamas is an evil that must be eliminated or they will do it again.

Your belief doesn’t account for horrid deaths by natural causes.

[EliJelly]

Your belief doesn’t account for horrid deaths by natural causes.

Nor does it make any sense limiting God's ability to protect from evil.

[AsherO]

  A person can decide what to do, but God decides the outcome. We often see attempted murders that don't work out, it's because God decided they should live another day.

What about ונשמרתם?

[AsherO]

Nor does it make any sense limiting God's ability to protect from evil.

You’re sounding like the guy from the joke with two boats and a helcopter

[EliJelly]

You’re sounding like the guy from the joke with two boats and a helcopter

Always in the mood of a joke, go ahead.