Are You Thinking Of Buying A Gun Due To Current Events?

[Dan]

But in the aftermath of this pogrom, many in our community are indeed signing up for classes to be trained to use guns, so my feelings are still evolving.

Parallel post was just made on DDFB:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/dansdeals/posts/10160816506456041/

[aygart]

I just last week heard a recording of a vaad from Rav Matisyahu where he said that bechira doesn't mean you can do anything at all since you can always be thwarted but rather that it means you have the choice of what you want to do.

[EliJelly]

You’re sounding like the guy from the joke with two boats and a helcopter

My point was aimed directly to the "100%" free will belief, not that we should refuse hishtadlus.

[Tzvi687]

How so?

Not sure what state u live in but in NJ ur gun can only be in ur houses and locked in trunk on way to gunsmith or range.
While technically u can rent a room in ur family member/friends house Im not sure that’s the best idea. Ask a lawyer

[avromie7]

What about ונשמרתם?

There are limits to what is required.

[yitzgar]

I just last week heard a recording of a vaad from Rav Matisyahu where he said that bechira doesn't mean you can do anything at all since you can always be thwarted but rather that it means you have the choice of what you want to do.

Isnt this from chovos halevavos?

[smurf]

So you are telling me G-d decided that babies should be mutilated by Hamas?
I will stick with my belief as it makes perfect sense. Hamas is an evil that must be eliminated or they will do it again.

It's a thin line but i guess you could say the difference is did g-d make it happen or did g-d allow it to happen.
But your second line is 100% true

[aygart]

Isnt this from chovos halevavos?

I think so

[CountValentine]

Nor does it make any sense limiting God's ability to protect from evil.

Where did you get anyone was limiting G-d's ability to do anything. G-d sets all rules.
G-d knows all but gave us 100% free will. Can a human comprehend how that is possible, no.
I believe in the Holy Trinity but can't comprehend how that is possible.
When it comes to things I can comprehend 100% free will makes sense. Does that mean I have it right, maybe yes or maybe no.
I prefer to have the belief that Hamas killed so many because they are evil and not that it was G-d's will. To me that makes more sense.

[CountValentine]

It's a thin line but i guess you could say the difference is did g-d make it happen or did g-d allow it to happen.

Correct. He allowed it to happen because he gave us free will. If G-d made it happen then we don't have free will. It was Hamas that committed this atrocity all on their own.

[imayid2]

I prefer to have the belief that Hamas killed so many because they are evil and not that it was G-d's will. To me that makes more sense.

Your belief doesn’t account for horrid deaths by natural causes.

[CountValentine]

My beliefs don't account for many things. That is why we call them beliefs and not facts. 

[smurf]

Correct. He allowed it to happen because he gave us free will. If G-d made it happen then we don't have free will. It was Hamas that committed this atrocity all on their own.

Understood, now if g-d were to decide not to let something happen, would that be restricting someones free will?
Or can we say, you have the free will to choose what to do but you don't have the guarantee that you will succeed.

[imayid2]

My beliefs don't account for many things. That is why we call them beliefs and not facts. 

Seems odd to base your belief on a question that isn’t answered by that belief.

[Definitions2]

Nor does it make any sense limiting God's ability to protect from evil.

If there's questions of why then you can start from before that. It doesn't make sense that God should want something to create the world.

[smurf]

Understood, now if g-d were to decide not to let something happen, would that be restricting someones free will?
Or can we say, you have the free will to choose what to do but you don't have the guarantee that you will succeed.

For example, were these terrorists denied free will? or just denied success?

The current events reminded me of this amazing neis that took place back in 2014, when Hamas wanted to do a surprise attack via the tunnels.

 

https://crownheights.info/jewish-news/448707/the-miracle-that-saved-the-residents-of-kibbutz-sufa/

[CountValentine]

Understood, now if g-d were to decide not to let something happen, would that be restricting someones free will?
Or can we say, you have the free will to choose what to do but you don't have the guarantee that you will succeed.

Yes and yes.
Whenever you have a tragedy, the question is always why did G-d let this happen. This answer for me is simple. We did this to ourselves. There are evil people in the world.

Now will I play gotcha on myself. A baby dies at birth, why? Who's free will made that happen.

[CountValentine]

For example, were these terrorists denied free will? or just denied success?

Neither.

[Definitions2]

Yes and yes.
Whenever you have a tragedy, the question is always why did G-d let this happen. This answer for me is simple. We did this to ourselves. There are evil people in the world.

Now will I play gotcha on myself. A baby dies at birth, why? Who's free will made that happen.

Is there a possibility that God doesn't share the same morals as humanity and sometimes simply doesn't care?

[CountValentine]

Seems odd to base your belief on a question that isn’t answered by that belief.

We believe different things. This all goes back to our free will discussion. We have different beliefs about free will and that was my only point. Not that one was right or one was wrong.