Starting Point Of Israel/Palestine Conflict?

[Definitions2]

I don't know the history of Israel too much.
If somebody asks me why aren't Jews considered colonizers. I don't know the answer to it.

I imagine that before any of the 20th century wars people were able to move in and out of the country freely. Eventually a lot of Jewish people started buying land and moving in. It came until a point that the Arabs/Muslims realized that what they own is getting smaller and smaller and put up resistance against allowing Jewish people to buy more land. Which then eventually progressed to fighting.

Is that anywhere accurate?

[Essen est zich]

colonizer

Before responding to any question asked, get their definition of the words they use.

[CountValentine]

For someone trying to understand the conflict would the beginning of the 19th century be a good starting point?

[imayid2]

For someone trying to understand the conflict would the beginning of the 19th century be a good starting point?

Mid

[Dan]

For someone trying to understand the conflict would the beginning of the 19th century be a good starting point?

No. It begins with Genesis 1:1 and the required commentary on the Torah from Rashi written 1,000 years ago.

[aygart]

Mid

Which is more or less where you would start seeing things anyhow.

[imayid2]

https://open.substack.com/pub/futureofjewish/p/myth-busted-israel-and-the-holocaust

[Definitions2]

Before responding to any question asked, get their definition of the words they use.

I can't tell if your joking about my username

[Essen est zich]

I can't tell if your joking about my username

Lol. I completely missed that.

[CountValentine]

No. It begins with Genesis 1:1 and the required commentary on the Torah from Rashi written 1,000 years ago.

If your argument for the conflict is a religious one then you have lost before you have begun.

[CountValentine]

Mid

1947-1948?

[imayid2]

1947-1948?

19th century
1850s and on

[Dan]

If your argument for the conflict is a religious one then you have lost before you have begun.

How so? Dig anywhere in Israel and you'll find Jewish artifacts.

You can't colonize what's been yours for thousands of years before Palestinians were invented.

[imayid2]

No. It begins with Genesis 1:1 and the required commentary on the Torah from Rashi written 1,000 years ago.

What’s the secular Zionist argument?

[smurf]

How so? Dig anywhere in Israel and you'll find Jewish artifacts.

You can't colonize what's been yours for thousands of years before Palestinians were invented.

True, but that is not a religious argument.
That's a historical and factual argument.

[imayid2]

How so? Dig anywhere in Israel and you'll find Jewish artifacts.

You can't colonize what's been yours for thousands of years before Palestinians were invented.

If the Indians would make a comeback to conquer the US everyone would be cool and say it’s their right?

[CountValentine]

How so? Dig anywhere in Israel and you'll find Jewish artifacts.

You can't colonize what's been yours for thousands of years before Palestinians were invented.

Religion is a belief system that comes in many different flavors.
It just can't be used as the basis for the claim.

[CountValentine]

That's a historical and factual argument.

That is what someone trying to understand the conflict wants.

[Dan]

If the Indians would make a comeback to conquer the US everyone would be cool and say it’s their right?

Would we call them colonizers if they did?

[CountValentine]

19th century
1850s and on

So 1850. Was there a major event that happen then or just start there?