Starting Point Of Israel/Palestine Conflict?

[EliJelly]

At a different time you’d say that you don’t agree with the actions taken to protect their inhabitants?

That’s different than deflecting the question and saying it’s not your business to be involved.

They have all rights to protect their citizens. I don't recall exactly but I don't think the question was on how Israel responded to terror, rather on the basic question of Palestinians "apartheid" etc. 

[ExGingi]

Conflating Jews with Zionism is detrimental, period. How we get the message out is indeed a great question. Perhaps now is too late, but in the beginning of the state the Charedi world could have disassociate more from the state.

We can't live in the past. Only in the present with an eye on the future.

[Dan]

We can't live in the past. Only in the present with an eye on the future.

+1K.

1900 wants their fight back. It was lost. We move on. Gam zu l'tova.

Now what's the best that can be done now? Fight to protect the physical and spiritual lives of every Jew, not fighting the ghosts of the past. And that means standing with Israel and standing with achdus.

Look at the religious awakening that is happening now! A shul in Gaza for the first time in 17 years with Tefilin at the ready for chayalim! Thousands who are committing to put on tefilin daily in the zchus of our brothers! https://www.instagram.com/stories/dansdeals/3226136463271255069/

[EliJelly]

We can't live in the past. Only in the present with an eye on the future.

The damage is done, but we can stop further association. Also, we gotta make it our business that "we" don't lose sight of the truths, even though we cannot fix the world out there. You'd know better than me how many in Chabad share your clarity on Zionism. I'm glad I can do this service here on DDF

[EliJelly]

+1K.

1900 wants their fight back. It was lost. We move on. Gam zu l'tova.

Now what's the best that can be done now? Fight to protect the physical and spiritual lives of every Jew, not fighting the ghosts of the past. And that means standing with Israel and standing with achdus.

Look at the religious awakening that is happening now! A shul in Gaza for the first time in 17 years with Tefilin at the ready for chayalim! Thousands who are committing to put on tefilin daily in the zchus of our brothers! https://www.instagram.com/stories/dansdeals/3226136463271255069/

That's all remarkable and well appreciated of course but also comes with some risk. Look at my above post.

[imayid2]

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/6148232/jewish/It-Is-Time-to-Declare-the-Truth-About-the-Jews-and-Israel.htm

[Definitions2]

I find it very hard to believe that a significant percentage or most frum people don't think having a state of Israel is part of the process or the beginning of mashiachs times.
I don't think people just think it's a mitzvah to live there.

[EliJelly]

I find it very hard to believe that a significant percentage or most frum people don't think having a state of Israel is part of the process or the beginning of mashiachs times.
I don't think people just think it's a mitzvah to live there.

If you davka want see it as part of the process of Moshiach call it חבלי משיח instead of התחלתא דגאולה

[imayid2]

I find it very hard to believe that a significant percentage or most frum people don't think having a state of Israel is part of the process or the beginning of mashiachs times.
I don't think people just think it's a mitzvah to live there.

Dunno but the question is should they be believing that?
Hopefully it’s סוף גלות.

[Definitions2]

If you davka want see it as part of the process of Moshiach call it חבלי משיח instead of התחלתא דגאולה

No I was saying that I believe the average (frum) person thinks it's part of the התחלתא as you call it. Even if you show them clearly and unequivocally that a state has nothing to do with it. Deep down they still believe it does.

[ExGingi]

I find it very hard to believe that a significant percentage or most frum people don't think having a state of Israel is part of the process or the beginning of mashiachs times.
I don't think people just think it's a mitzvah to live there.

What makes you think so?

I am not comparing, but are you familiar with what the Rambam writes in הלכות מלכים ומלחמותיהם regarding Jesus?

[imayid2]

No I was saying that I believe the average (frum) person thinks it's part of the התחלתא as you call it. Even if you show them clearly and unequivocally that a state has nothing to do with it. Deep down they still believe it does.

The average frum person is probably confused about it. I certainly am.

[CountValentine]

I am not comparing, but are you familiar with what the Rambam writes in הלכות מלכים ומלחמותיהם regarding Jesus?

No, what do they write?

[ExGingi]

No, what do they write?

I recall sending you (or maybe it was @ChaimMoskowitz) a link to the translation once before.

Halacha 4

[CountValentine]

I recall sending you (or maybe it was @ChaimMoskowitz) a link to the translation once before.

I don't talk to that guy anymore. 
Would you still have it?

[ExGingi]

I don't talk to that guy anymore. 
Would you still have it?

See edit above.

[ExGingi]

The average frum person is probably confused about it. I certainly am.

What's the source of confusion? Are you familiar with the content of יהדות התורה והמדינה?

[Definitions2]

What makes you think so?

I am not comparing, but are you familiar with what the Rambam writes in הלכות מלכים ומלחמותיהם regarding Jesus?

Call it my Spidey Sense™

I'm not familiar

[ExGingi]

Call it my Spidey Sense™

I'm not familiar

I am unfamiliar with the term Spidey Sense (wasn't in any Yeshiva curriculum I am familiar with). As for the Rambam a link was posted above.

[CountValentine]

See edit above.

Thanks.
Who wrote Deuteronomy and when?