Rally in Washington 11/14/23

[imayid2]

Rabbi Ron Yitzchok Eisman

[aishel]

FWIW, R' Baruch Neuberger was seen at the rally. He's the Menahel at Ner Yisrael

[dealfinder11]

Not to get off topic but I feel like this is not getting enough attention. Just thinking of all the hashgacha that went into Fetterman winning and how he became such a popular figure on the left. Only to become Israel's strongest advocate. Oz would be worthless if he was elected. Or worse.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/22/fetterman-unbending-on-israel-confounds-this-progressive-brethren-00128502

Notable from the article:

Pennsylvania has the fifth-largest Jewish population of any state in the nation. Even more critically, his aides said the 2018 massacre at Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life synagogue, where a gunman killed 11 people, left him distraught and forced him to confront the presence of violent antisemitism so close to home.

The synagogue is a 15-minute drive from Fetterman’s house. While it was still in the midst of an active shooter situation, staffers said, he got calls from people who lived nearby asking him if he knew what was going on. Adam Jentleson, Fetterman’s chief of staff, described the tragedy as “the formative event on this issue for him.”

[jye]

https://cross-currents.com/2023/11/17/notes-from-the-war-november-17-2023/

“different groups, with very different life-styles and ideologies, were able to stand shoulder-to-shoulder as one people, one family – including listening to some chants that were hashkafically unacceptable – like “Never Again” without burning holes in frum eardrums. Surely this was nachas ruach to HKBH, Who wants to show off the achdus of His people."

Very relevant piece from Rav Yaakov Galinsky on this weeks parsha that addresses this point.

[imayid2]

[Yehuda57]

Let's wait first for DL's Headlines podcast this week which the program will be about joining the rally, before we lock this thread. 

I'm barely through the intro and I'm already pissed off at his completely dishonest and manipulative framing - and I'm on "his side"!

[EliJelly]

I'm barely through the intro and I'm already pissed off at his completely dishonest and manipulative framing - and I'm on "his side"!

Who didn't see it coming. 

Also at the beginning and already picked up so many "gems".

[imayid2]

Is there a way to speed him up when listening on the phone?

[Yehuda57]

Is there a way to speed him up when listening on the phone?

https://twitter.com/Squilled/status/1454953862977269760

[BCL]

Can we get a printable link?

[imayid2]

Can we get a printable link?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JcjqNpmi9FyZ--R_0uHUup2b8_Qn_Zae/view?usp=drivesdk

[luckyluck]

Rabbi Ron Yitzchok Eisman

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https://www.ahavasisrael.org/short-vort?post_id=1478770

"Believing that unity was crucial to rescue, Rav Aharon advised putting aside political and ideological differences and closing ranks among all Orthodox factions to further rescue activities.

Vaad Hatzalah was to be an umbrella organization spanning the gamut of American Orthodoxy and included the Agudath Harabonim, Agudas Yisrael, Young Israel, OU, and many others.

He attempted to work with Reform and secular Jewish leaders and non-Jews as well.

When he was criticized for meeting with the leading Reform Rabbi Stephen Wise, Rav Aharon famously declared, "I'd work with the Pope himself, if it would help save the fingernail of one Jewish child."

https://mishpacha.com/with-fire-in-his-eyes/

(Misphacha Magazine- December 20, 2022)

[Ralphie]

It didn't seem from Rabbi Feldman's letter that this was a hischabrus l'rasha issue. He seemed to take issue more with the actual program. In fact, before the program was announced, he supported it.

[imayid2]

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https://www.ahavasisrael.org/short-vort?post_id=1478770

So obviously that means he'd march down Washington arm in arm with the Pope to affirm his support for what the government is already doing with no grave concern that his personal non participation would change that.

NOT!!!

[EliJelly]

So obviously that means he'd march down Washington arm in arm with the Pope to affirm his support for what the government is already doing with no grave concern that his personal non participation would change that.

NOT!!!

He would drive down to Washington on Shabbos too for the sake of rescuing Jews during WW2. IIRC Mike Tress was told to do so on many occasions. No one would say this showing support rally allows for chilul shabbos. Enough with that absurd analogy.

[Flatbush]

It didn't seem from Rabbi Feldman's letter that this was a hischabrus l'rasha issue. He seemed to take issue more with the actual program. In fact, before the program was announced, he supported it.

If I'm not mistaken that is pretty much what he is saying.

[aishel]

The one time Mishpacha can probably get away with publishing a crowd shot with women in it, I had to laugh when I saw this.

[Euclid]

The one time Mishpacha can probably get away with publishing a crowd shot with women in it, I had to laugh when I saw this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meet_the_Fockers

[imayid2]

It didn't seem from Rabbi Feldman's letter that this was a hischabrus l'rasha issue. He seemed to take issue more with the actual program. In fact, before the program was announced, he supported it.

“within certain parameters the rally could be palatable, but beyond them they crossed a line”

Are you saying the line crossed isn’t an offshoot of hischabrus? I would disagree.

[dealfinder11]

I'm barely through the intro and I'm already pissed off at his completely dishonest and manipulative framing - and I'm on "his side"!

+1. Other than is monologue, I did not plan on listening to the rest of the podcast. However, I did notice Rabbi Plotnik, a Rav for whom i know personally and about as principled a rav that I know. IYKYK. So I decided to listed to that portion and boy am I glad I did. R' Plotnik did about as good of a job pushing back against DL (respectfully) as I have ever heard. DL's initial framing attempts in his questions were beyond insane.