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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #140 on: November 10, 2023, 02:34:33 AM »
Rumor has it thereís a massive one in Jerusalem very soon and Dan will definitely be in attendance :D
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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #142 on: November 10, 2023, 07:17:17 AM »
Rav Yitzchok Sorotzkin, Rosh Yeshiva of Telz and Lakewood Mesivta, member of the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah, and author of about 80 seforim on Shas and Tanach gave a drasha and he said at around 27 minutes, that the whole idea of going to the Washington Rally is treif like chazer.  It's not going to help, it's going to make it worse - and it destroys the entire purpose of why Hashem brought this tzara on klal yisrael.  As it's exactly the opposite of what Hashem wants from us. 

The hate of the non-Jews is unprecedented across the world and every gov't - it's going to become extremely dangerous outside Eretz Yisroel, (quoting
רבי יהונתן אייבשיץ  / יערות דבש /  but in Eretz Yisroel we have the extra special shemirah from Hashem.

Rachmana Latzlan, the demonstrations are counter-productive, the Arabs, Muslims and non-Jews are going to counter demonstrate, and they have much more people then us, and their malice and cruelty, it's opening up a tremendous sakana gedolah. It's going to antagonize all the colleges, non-Jews, and the Muslims.

These rally's should stop, and we should not go to these places. We do not belong in this places. They can incite the non-Jews around us. Chas v'shalom to think that this is what Hashem wants from us

We have to be careful and not go there. It's not our salvation.

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #143 on: November 10, 2023, 08:18:33 AM »
Rav Yitzchok Sorotzkin, Rosh Yeshiva of Telz and Lakewood Mesivta, member of the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah, and author of about 80 seforim on Shas and Tanach gave a drasha and he said at around 27 minutes, that the whole idea of going to the Washington Rally is treif like chazer.  It's not going to help, it's going to make it worse - and it destroys the entire purpose of why Hashem brought this tzara on klal yisrael.  As it's exactly the opposite of what Hashem wants from us. 

The hate of the non-Jews is unprecedented across the world and every gov't - it's going to become extremely dangerous outside Eretz Yisroel, (quoting
רבי יהונתן אייבשיץ  / יערות דבש /  but in Eretz Yisroel we have the extra special shemirah from Hashem.

Rachmana Latzlan, the demonstrations are counter-productive, the Arabs, Muslims and non-Jews are going to counter demonstrate, and they have much more people then us, and their malice and cruelty, it's opening up a tremendous sakana gedolah. It's going to antagonize all the colleges, non-Jews, and the Muslims.

These rally's should stop, and we should not go to these places. We do not belong in this places. They can incite the non-Jews around us. Chas v'shalom to think that this is what Hashem wants from us

We have to be careful and not go there. It's not our salvation.

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Thanks for sharing that perspective. I would AYLOR. That's what I did. He said we should absolutely go. (he also mentioned that he doesn't know why Hashem does things because he's not a navi)

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #144 on: November 10, 2023, 08:27:06 AM »
Rav Yitzchok Sorotzkin

Is this the same Rav Sorotzkin you quoted as saying that this is the beginning of Gog U'Magog and Moshiach is coming? I'm admittedly not very familiar with the sugya. Is that tekufah considered a tzara on klal yisroel?
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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #145 on: November 10, 2023, 08:30:52 AM »
Is this the same Rav Sorotzkin you quoted as saying that this is the beginning of Gog U'Magog and Moshiach is coming? I'm admittedly not very familiar with the sugya. Is that tekufah considered a tzara on klal yisroel?
Rabbi Yitzchok is the father of the one who writes sefarim about the era of Mashiach. The point of the tzaros is to teach us that everything is only Hashem and to lead us to do Teshuva so we will merit the Geulah.

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #146 on: November 10, 2023, 08:31:01 AM »
Rav Yitzchok Sorotzkin, Rosh Yeshiva of Telz and Lakewood Mesivta, member of the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah, and author of about 80 seforim on Shas and Tanach gave a drasha and he said at around 27 minutes, that the whole idea of going to the Washington Rally is treif like chazer.  It's not going to help, it's going to make it worse - and it destroys the entire purpose of why Hashem brought this tzara on klal yisrael.  As it's exactly the opposite of what Hashem wants from us. 

The hate of the non-Jews is unprecedented across the world and every gov't - it's going to become extremely dangerous outside Eretz Yisroel, (quoting
רבי יהונתן אייבשיץ  / יערות דבש /  but in Eretz Yisroel we have the extra special shemirah from Hashem.

Rachmana Latzlan, the demonstrations are counter-productive, the Arabs, Muslims and non-Jews are going to counter demonstrate, and they have much more people then us, and their malice and cruelty, it's opening up a tremendous sakana gedolah. It's going to antagonize all the colleges, non-Jews, and the Muslims.

These rally's should stop, and we should not go to these places. We do not belong in this places. They can incite the non-Jews around us. Chas v'shalom to think that this is what Hashem wants from us

We have to be careful and not go there. It's not our salvation.

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You have to know your crowd!
I once saw someone from DDF and he was wearing a blue shirt!!

Im sure Reb Yitzchok was saying it to people in Yeshiva, not sure thereís any point in posting here.
Itís just gonna cause machlokes, let them do their thing and let the Yeshiva people learn, as Reb Malkiel said in the beginning, that the war is being fought on the Bais medresh. It would be a dereliction of duty for someone in Yeshiva to go.
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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #147 on: November 10, 2023, 08:36:39 AM »
Rabbi Yitzchok is the father of the one who writes sefarim about the era of Mashiach.

Thanks for clearing that up.

The point of the tzaros is to teach us that everything is only Hashem and to lead us to do Teshivah so we will merit the Geulah.

I get the point of tzaros. I was just trying to figure out how it mished with Gog U'Magog having started on Oct 7. Since they are 2 different rabbis who don't necessarily hold the exact same things, I guess the question is somewhat irrelevant.
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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #148 on: November 10, 2023, 08:41:36 AM »
Reb Yitzchok is also on the moetzes,
I did notice that the Agudahs letter about the Rally was very pareve.
While definitely backing it and saying there should be people there, they didnít encourage anyone to go.
Iím sure they spent a lot of time on the wording.

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #149 on: November 10, 2023, 08:45:52 AM »
Thanks for clearing that up.

I get the point of tzaros. I was just trying to figure out how it mished with Gog U'Magog having started on Oct 7. Since they are 2 different rabbis who don't necessarily hold the exact same things, I guess the question is somewhat irrelevant.
It seems like the tzaros of Gog U'magog and Chevlei Mashiach are also for that purpose. In the sefarim he clearly says that the only reason to discuss the topic is to encourage us to return completely to Hashem. (I am not a Rabbi or Talmid Chacham)
Rabbi Yitzchak Sorotzkin has also been speaking about realizing that there is nothing except Hashem, as in completely uprooting any כחי ועוצם ידי and responding to the tzaros in a completely spiritual way. As mentioned upthread, he is speaking to בני ישיבה.
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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #150 on: November 10, 2023, 09:00:49 AM »
Rav Yitzchok Sorotzkin, Rosh Yeshiva of Telz and Lakewood Mesivta, member of the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah, and author of about 80 seforim on Shas and Tanach gave a drasha and he said at around 27 minutes, that the whole idea of going to the Washington Rally is treif like chazer.  It's not going to help, it's going to make it worse - and it destroys the entire purpose of why Hashem brought this tzara on klal yisrael.  As it's exactly the opposite of what Hashem wants from us. 

The hate of the non-Jews is unprecedented across the world and every gov't - it's going to become extremely dangerous outside Eretz Yisroel, (quoting
רבי יהונתן אייבשיץ  / יערות דבש /  but in Eretz Yisroel we have the extra special shemirah from Hashem.

Rachmana Latzlan, the demonstrations are counter-productive, the Arabs, Muslims and non-Jews are going to counter demonstrate, and they have much more people then us, and their malice and cruelty, it's opening up a tremendous sakana gedolah. It's going to antagonize all the colleges, non-Jews, and the Muslims.

These rally's should stop, and we should not go to these places. We do not belong in this places. They can incite the non-Jews around us. Chas v'shalom to think that this is what Hashem wants from us

We have to be careful and not go there. It's not our salvation.

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Interesting that R' Moshe felt it important enough to march to in Washington during the March of the Rabbis' in 1943. But yeah, we know better.

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #151 on: November 10, 2023, 09:05:30 AM »
Rav Yitzchok Sorotzkin, Rosh Yeshiva of Telz and Lakewood Mesivta, member of the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah, and author of about 80 seforim on Shas and Tanach gave a drasha and he said at around 27 minutes, that the whole idea of going to the Washington Rally is treif like chazer.  It's not going to help, it's going to make it worse - and it destroys the entire purpose of why Hashem brought this tzara on klal yisrael.  As it's exactly the opposite of what Hashem wants from us. 

The hate of the non-Jews is unprecedented across the world and every gov't - it's going to become extremely dangerous outside Eretz Yisroel, (quoting
רבי יהונתן אייבשיץ  / יערות דבש /  but in Eretz Yisroel we have the extra special shemirah from Hashem.

Rachmana Latzlan, the demonstrations are counter-productive, the Arabs, Muslims and non-Jews are going to counter demonstrate, and they have much more people then us, and their malice and cruelty, it's opening up a tremendous sakana gedolah. It's going to antagonize all the colleges, non-Jews, and the Muslims.

These rally's should stop, and we should not go to these places. We do not belong in this places. They can incite the non-Jews around us. Chas v'shalom to think that this is what Hashem wants from us

We have to be careful and not go there. It's not our salvation.

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The moetzes was consulted. The consensus as of now was to have everyone go. It does not mean that everyone on the moetzes was unanimous, but there was a consensus.

Of course, if Rav Sorotzkin is your exclusive daas torah in all other areas you probably donít belong following the moetzes and going.

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #152 on: November 10, 2023, 09:07:10 AM »
All I see over and over is the lack of clarity in hashkafa. Particularly in how the world works.

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #153 on: November 10, 2023, 09:07:14 AM »
Very nice. I imagine theyíll have either CY or non-dairy options. The form asks for dietary/allergy concerns so you can probably ask about CY.
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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #154 on: November 10, 2023, 09:08:39 AM »
Rav Yitzchok Sorotzkin, Rosh Yeshiva of Telz and Lakewood Mesivta, member of the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah, and author of about 80 seforim on Shas and Tanach gave a drasha and he said at around 27 minutes, that the whole idea of going to the Washington Rally is treif like chazer.  It's not going to help, it's going to make it worse - and it destroys the entire purpose of why Hashem brought this tzara on klal yisrael.  As it's exactly the opposite of what Hashem wants from us. 

The hate of the non-Jews is unprecedented across the world and every gov't - it's going to become extremely dangerous outside Eretz Yisroel, (quoting
רבי יהונתן אייבשיץ  / יערות דבש /  but in Eretz Yisroel we have the extra special shemirah from Hashem.

Rachmana Latzlan, the demonstrations are counter-productive, the Arabs, Muslims and non-Jews are going to counter demonstrate, and they have much more people then us, and their malice and cruelty, it's opening up a tremendous sakana gedolah. It's going to antagonize all the colleges, non-Jews, and the Muslims.

These rally's should stop, and we should not go to these places. We do not belong in this places. They can incite the non-Jews around us. Chas v'shalom to think that this is what Hashem wants from us

We have to be careful and not go there. It's not our salvation.

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They think it's good to go to NYC to ralley against the idf. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/thousands-of-haredi-jews-protest-draft-in-nyc/amp/. To send kids to Albany to ralley again secular Ed. It's a chiyuv to vote for avi schnall.  But our brothers and sisters in EY, don't worry learning will help. 🤦‍♂️

What a sad ideology.

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #155 on: November 10, 2023, 09:12:21 AM »
They think it's good to go to NYC to ralley against the idf. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/thousands-of-haredi-jews-protest-draft-in-nyc/amp/. To send kids to Albany to ralley again secular Ed. It's a chiyuv to vote for avi schnall.  But our brothers and sisters in EY, don't worry learning will help. 🤦‍♂️

What a sad ideology.
Its very simple. When its "them", than the bnei yeshiva should sit and learn. That's the best ammunition. When it affects "me" and my insular following, than we all need to go and do our full hishtadlus.

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #156 on: November 10, 2023, 09:12:45 AM »
Rachmana Latzlan, the demonstrations are counter-productive, the Arabs, Muslims and non-Jews are going to counter demonstrate, and they have much more people then us, and their malice and cruelty, it's opening up a tremendous sakana gedolah. It's going to antagonize all the colleges, non-Jews, and the Muslims.
They already do daily.
And the media points out their frequency vs pro-Israel/Jewish rallies.

They can incite the non-Jews around us.

Since when do they need inciting? They'll go from kvetching that nobody is rallying to Israel to people are rallying for Israel. This rally isn't for them.

Chas v'shalom to think that this is what Hashem wants from us

Yes, Chas v'shalom over 100,000 Jews join together in unity for some prayer and showing politicians that we stand for Israel and the Jewish people.

It's not our salvation.
Salvation is from G-d. This is calling out to G-d and the world that needs to see it that enough is enough.


At any rate, I don't see the point in further debate here. Everyone can talk to their own LOR.
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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #157 on: November 10, 2023, 09:13:45 AM »
They think it's good to go to NYC to ralley against the idf. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/thousands-of-haredi-jews-protest-draft-in-nyc/amp/. To send kids to Albany to ralley again secular Ed. It's a chiyuv to vote for avi schnall.  But our brothers and sisters in EY, don't worry learning will help. 🤦‍♂️

What a sad ideology.
Probably should move to the Hashkafa thread... It is a long-standing hashkafa that spiritual threats are fought physically and physical threats are fought spiritually, i.e Chanukah vs Purim. I once heard that the Chafetz Chaim said that they made a mistake in not physically fighting the Yevsektsia when they came to Russian towns to destroy Judaism. Disclaimer: I do not know if he actually said that.

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #158 on: November 10, 2023, 09:19:41 AM »
Its very simple. When its "them", than the bnei yeshiva should sit and learn. That's the best ammunition. When it affects "me" and my insular following, than we all need to go and do our full hishtadlus.
I protest. You may not agree with the hashkafa but this is a disgusting thing to say.

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Re: Rally in Washington 11/14/23
« Reply #159 on: November 10, 2023, 09:24:10 AM »
They think it's good to go to NYC to ralley against the idf. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/thousands-of-haredi-jews-protest-draft-in-nyc/amp/. To send kids to Albany to ralley again secular Ed. It's a chiyuv to vote for avi schnall.  But our brothers and sisters in EY, don't worry learning will help. 🤦‍♂️

What a sad ideology.

Who is "they" exactly? The voice of one rav was posted. You don't follow him? follow your rav and move on. You've conflated numerous communities acting on wildly different issues and merged them into a single pinata of an ideology to beat up on. There are many reasons not to attend this particular march that have nothing to do with your opinion on marches in general. I was quite unsure if attending an event arranged by the Federations was appropriate, for a number of reasons which need not be detailed. The Rabbonim of my community were themselves unsure at first, as when I asked they did not have an answer. They have since announced that people should go, though yeshivas and schools are not going.

As I see it, the primary goal of this march is the strength of numbers, or in other words, a show of unity. Berating entire communities for not seeing things your way runs counter to the whole project.