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Do you think Musk has anti-semite tendencies?

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Re: So musk is an anti-semite
« Reply #40 on: November 18, 2023, 11:19:43 PM »
I am self admittedly a close follower of all things Elon. Tesla, Starship, Neuralink etc. (Personally I am more fascinated by the potential of Neuralink than any of his other companies).

I don't think he is intentionally antisemitic. He is clearly on the spectrum and has numerous mental health issues (not an excuse). That being said, in the realm of antisemitism, I think he does significantly more harm than good.

One more point. I think most of the media just uses antisemitism as another means to attack Musk (he is a favored bunching bag for MSM). Doesn't excuse it. Just lacks any nuance and is heavily biased.
This. With the size of his soapbox it makes little practical difference what his true beliefs are

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Re: So musk is an anti-semite
« Reply #41 on: November 18, 2023, 11:24:19 PM »
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Re: So musk is an anti-semite
« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2023, 08:41:52 PM »
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1725225337943179706?s=19

How about for criticizing all Jewish communities for progressive Jewish organization's anti-white policies?
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Re: So musk is an anti-semite
« Reply #45 on: November 20, 2023, 08:49:36 PM »
Here are the posts:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724908287471272299

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724932619203420203

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724933980276084909

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724934935943979269
Not a good look, though he clarified that he was referring to the ADL's left wing advocacy.
He is very vocal, so you can use everything else he's said to figure out what he really feels. He doesn't like antisemitism and he doesn't like anti-white (or any other racism). Here he called out jewish groups for being anti-white.
This is my take as well.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1725225337943179706?s=19

I agree with @Dan that the totality of Musk's statements (along with his tendency to say what he actually thinks) indicates that he does not hate Jews AND that many of those going after him are looking for an excuse to bash him. He is likely mad about the progressive tendency to bash all white males and Jews per se are not the target of his anger.

BUT...progressives were NOT the subject of the original tweet and neither was the ADL. "Jewish communities" were the target. 

Musk knows how to read critically and is not unaware of the influence he wields.

Non-orthodox Jews do tend to be fairly liberal, and the original poster (and plausibly Musk) resent those Jewish communities—not just progressives generally regardless of their ethnicity and religion. Grouping Jews with a particular ideology or political view together, rather than focusing exclusively on those holding an objectionable opinion or worldview, is not okay. It is similar to how NY governmental officials were targeting Orthodox Jews during the Covid restrictions. Did it matter that they did not have similar restrictions for reform or conservative Jews?

Additionally,even if being upset or casting blame on the ADL justified, should one therefore not care about when liberal Jews are subject to antisemitism? Read the original tweet. It did not just lay blame—it asserted to not giving a ****! Does anyone think that is okay?

Even if he does not resent "progressive Jews" as a class, he was careless at a time when antisemitism in on the rise, and that is not ethically okay. The law recognizes recklessness as sufficient intent for many crimes and I don't think it is being intellectually honest to dismiss the accusations against him. Sure, many politicians and media personalities may have exaggerated his wrong. But that does not whitewash his reckless rants. We should not look away at the wrongs of leaders just because we think that they are politically aligned with us.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2023, 11:54:20 PM by Thingywingy »
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Re: So musk is an anti-semite
« Reply #46 on: November 21, 2023, 03:44:38 PM »

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Re: So musk is an anti-semite
« Reply #48 on: November 21, 2023, 05:26:12 PM »
Musk's tweet was "You right that this does not extend to all Jewish communities, but it is also not just limited to ADL"

The word "all" and "but" in the tweet indicates he is criticizing Jewish communities much more broadly than just the ADL. That was unnecessary (if he meant to limit his comments to the ADL) and is problematic.

Interestingly Ben Shapiro left the word 'but" out when quoting Musk's post.

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Re: So musk is an anti-semite
« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2023, 05:47:12 PM »
Musk's tweet was "You right that this does not extend to all Jewish communities, but it is also not just limited to ADL"

The word "all" and "but" in the tweet indicates he is criticizing Jewish communities much more broadly than just the ADL. That was unnecessary (if he meant to limit his comments to the ADL) and is problematic.

Interestingly Ben Shapiro left the word 'but" out when quoting Musk's post.

but is not needed in musks sentence, (but) it just makes sentence clearer

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Re: So musk is an anti-semite
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2023, 06:20:55 PM »
For goodness sake, people are parsing his words as if even a modicum of thought went into exactly how he should word the tweet

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Re: So musk is an anti-semite
« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2023, 10:24:18 PM »
For goodness sake, people are parsing his words as if even a modicum of thought went into exactly how he should word the tweet
Much thought did go into that tweet. This was two hours after the initial tweet and came to clarify the original (thoughtless) tweet that had generated a firestorm.
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Re: So musk is an anti-semite
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Re: So musk is an anti-semite
« Reply #53 on: November 23, 2023, 09:34:32 PM »
https://x.com/YunaLeibzon/status/1727814500286394423

He’s such an attention wh0re, and as unpredictably fast and loose as Trump.
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Re: So musk is an anti-semite
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Re: So musk is an anti-semite
« Reply #55 on: November 24, 2023, 10:27:24 AM »
He’s such an attention wh0re, and as unpredictably fast and loose as Trump.
What makes you say this?
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Re: So musk is an anti-semite
« Reply #56 on: November 24, 2023, 02:10:25 PM »
What makes you say this?
Why is he going to Israel ?

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Re: So musk is an anti-semite
« Reply #57 on: November 28, 2023, 01:34:28 AM »
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Re: So musk is an anti-semite
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