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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2023, 04:40:56 AM »
@mevinyavin Do you have any updated rec's for a syncing software? Also is $60 a good price for 1tb SSD from sandisk?
1. Not yet. Still using FreeFileSync.
2. I never answer questions phrased like this one:
    A. What sort of 1TB SSD do you need?
    B. Why should you be meshubad to any particular company?

What cloud service would be recommend for backing up pictures and videos? The only thing that I care about on my computer is the photos and videos which I am currently backing up to a second internal ssd. I have over 100gb of media and don't have an amazon prime account. (I also have more than 5gb of videos.)
Know little about cloud services, except similar experiences to Jojo202 that I somehow need to work out for them despite me not being the one who set the settings for them:
I was helping someone today.... we log out of his one drive account, and all his desktop disappear and get transferred to a folder called shortcut to OneDrive? Very confusing in my opinion. Maybe different if its a desktop with wired internet, so you never have to worry about online/offline.
Anecdotally, I was once helping a relative with their Mac and I turned off iCloud backup. It was a terrible move, as it convolutedly deletes ALL the local files, and you have to go into the iCloud backup to download all the files again. Not fun, especially if you don't have internet, and the relative is someone that just spent all night preparing for teaching the next day, and all the files disappear into the "cloud".
And apparently this is a normal thing that's "supposed" to happen. (Feature not a bug)
That is, you need to KNOW exactly what the settings are for your cloud services. EVERYTHING is a setting, and somewhere in the program it will be clear what the program is doing with your data. If it is not, you shouldn't be using the program. The control freak in me lets very few programs do anything on my behalf automatically, including backing up to the internet.
Some cloud services store everything on the internet and enable you to access it off of there. Naturally, this is LUDICROUS for someone with an internet connection as bad as mine. Also, as a FEATURE, when you disable it you lose your data until you enable it again.
Some services automatically add a second copy to the internet. This is well and good, lechora, unless you have limited bandwidth and can't send an email because your computer is busy backing up the video you are about to delete.
Don't rely on cloud backup unless you know what you are doing. Unfortunately, Microsoft seems to have greater faith in humanity than I do, and they enable various cloud backups without consulting the user. Apparently Apple thinks the same. They don't seem to realize that some people on this planet don't walk around with a constant connection to the internet - that some believe that the internet is a necessary evil to be used sparingly only when required.

Re: Sandisk
Sandisk has been having trouble with a single product (Extreme external SSDs) and you knock off their history? Like, for example, that they were the ones who invented flash memory in the first place? I wouldn't be concerned, except (of course) for not buying their Extreme external SSDs. (Agav, would you still buy Western Digital, or are they also tarnished as a brand?)
Straw man: it would perhaps surprise DDFers that for an 8-year period, I was not recommending Dell. I'm sure it would not surprise some DDFers that until four years ago, I was not recommending AMD. My point is that performance is the only thing that matters, not brand.

And now, time for another coffee.
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2023, 02:41:25 PM »
1. Not yet. Still using FreeFileSync.
2. I never answer questions phrased like this one:
    A. What sort of 1TB SSD do you need?
    B. Why should you be meshubad to any particular company?
Thanks. Honestly I'm not sure what I need, I just want to start backing up verything after I had an issue with one drive. I didn't lose anything but I can't seem to get it to act as a backup, not some sort of remote hard drive that's constantly syncing data and taking it off the computer.
I'm not meshubed, it was fom the first that came up on amazon that I recognized.

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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2023, 03:54:29 PM »
What can I  use as a long term, save and forget device to store my photos?
I have some on CDs from ancient times.  Are my pictures still on them?
Thanks for your info.
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2023, 05:18:20 PM »
If it's a one time thing I'd look into getting the original pixel phone which has unlimited free storage and uploading to Google.
Good idea!
(How about LSPosed Pixelify GPhotos?)
Whats an easy way to sync 150gb though my phone to my google photos app? I need to copy x amount at a time, have it upload, delete, than copy some more. All the while keeping track of where I am up to.

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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2023, 06:13:26 PM »
Good idea!
(How about LSPosed Pixelify GPhotos?)
Whats an easy way to sync 150gb though my phone to my google photos app? I need to copy x amount at a time, have it upload, delete, than copy some more. All the while keeping track of where I am up to.
Separate it into folders of just under 150GB each ?
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2023, 06:56:28 PM »
Good idea!
(How about LSPosed Pixelify GPhotos?)
Whats an easy way to sync 150gb though my phone to my google photos app? I need to copy x amount at a time, have it upload, delete, than copy some more. All the while keeping track of where I am up to.
To be honest I've never done it before on a large scale and I have been burned by the issue mentioned up thread about how storage services sync your device to their storage and if one gets deleted the other gets deleted too. If you do go that route make sure you figure that out first.

Second I would not recommend using a spoofing service. Getting a phone and uploading it from the phone even though it wasn't taken from the phone is 100% with googles terms of service and if they delete the data I would bet that is grounds for a big lawsuit.

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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2023, 08:58:40 PM »
I don't know if this was discussed yet, a good approach would be having a local NAS (Network Attached Storage) such as QNAP, Synology or FreeNAS (I personally use QNAP), you can have multiple drives with a RAID setup.
Many hardware offer a USB port to automatically backup files on a thumb drive by plug n play.

On your PC(s) you can have network drive mount, image backups etc

Additionally you can have sync between the NAS and your cloud drives (Google Drive, Dropbox, OneDrive etc)
You can choose one way sync, two way sync and file versioning.

On top of that you can sync the entire drive to a cloud backup provider such as Backblaze B2, Wasabi etc.

On top of the benefits above the NAS can also have a network recycle bin, serve as your multimedia server, private cloud sharing platform and more.

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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2023, 10:39:43 PM »
I don't know if this was discussed yet, a good approach would be having a local NAS (Network Attached Storage) such as QNAP, Synology or FreeNAS (I personally use QNAP), you can have multiple drives with a RAID setup.
Many hardware offer a USB port to automatically backup files on a thumb drive by plug n play.

On your PC(s) you can have network drive mount, image backups etc

Additionally you can have sync between the NAS and your cloud drives (Google Drive, Dropbox, OneDrive etc)
You can choose one way sync, two way sync and file versioning.

On top of that you can sync the entire drive to a cloud backup provider such as Backblaze B2, Wasabi etc.

On top of the benefits above the NAS can also have a network recycle bin, serve as your multimedia server, private cloud sharing platform and more.
Curious what your setup is like. I haven't seen a cheap enough starting point for this for the average household.
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2023, 11:11:21 PM »
Curious what your setup is like. I haven't seen a cheap enough starting point for this for the average household.
.I'm not your average household ...

But I believe QNAP and Synology both have entry level hardware, or you can use FreeNAS and reproduce any old desktop
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2023, 11:18:23 PM »
.I'm not your average household ...

But I believe QNAP and Synology both have entry level hardware, or you can use FreeNAS and reproduce any old desktop
I wouldn't consider myself one either ;D

If by entry level you mean spending $300+ for the enclosure plus the hard drive cost, sure.
How many hard drive slots does the average desktop have these days?

Personally my server runs on an old Thinkpad which has the added benefit of a built in screen and a UPS feature. Not to mention it's slim profile and (somewhat) lower power cost.
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2023, 11:26:15 PM »
I don't really follow, can I just connect a hard drive to my synology router and create a backup? Or do I need more hardware than that...

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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2023, 05:16:42 AM »
What can I  use as a long term, save and forget device to store my photos?
I have some on CDs from ancient times.  Are my pictures still on them?
Thanks for your info.
So far as pictures: I keep one copy of everything on my computer, which renders them automatically backed up due to my regular backup solution.
What I tell the families who have cameras but no working computer is to periodically copy the entire contents of the SD card to a backup hard drive (I tell them as often as after they take pictures they don't want to risk losing) via someone else's computer or one of the local pay-per-hour offices (they run on Netfree). They don't delete pictures (except the bad pictures), but buy new SD cards when they fill the old ones. If (WHEN) either storage breaks they replace it. Every year or so, they check that everything still works.
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2023, 11:35:41 AM »
So far as pictures: I keep one copy of everything on my computer, which renders them automatically backed up due to my regular backup solution.
What I tell the families who have cameras but no working computer is to periodically copy the entire contents of the SD card to a backup hard drive (I tell them as often as after they take pictures they don't want to risk losing) via someone else's computer or one of the local pay-per-hour offices (they run on Netfree). They don't delete pictures (except the bad pictures), but buy new SD cards when they fill the old ones. If (WHEN) either storage breaks they replace it. Every year or so, they check that everything still works.
can you please show a good reasonable backup hard drive?

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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2023, 01:35:34 PM »
can you please show a good reasonable backup hard drive?
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2023, 06:32:16 PM »
What is the SIMPLEST (set and forget) cheapest option for backing up files (audio and documents) to the cloud?
Thanks a lot!

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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2023, 10:14:04 PM »
What is the SIMPLEST (set and forget) cheapest option for backing up files (audio and documents) to the cloud?
Thanks a lot!

https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-backup

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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2023, 12:40:55 AM »
https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-backup

Been using them for years
I don't use cloud but it seems to be that Backblaze has the best reputation (that is, among dedicated backup services - versus services that also include backup).
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2023, 06:49:26 PM »
So I didnt back up my computer and it died.
Any recommendations how to get the old data off of it cheaply without being a techie?
Or if someone will trade getting my data off of HD and keeping the PC for parts...   :)

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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2023, 08:53:40 PM »
So I didnt back up my computer and it died.
Any recommendations how to get the old data off of it cheaply without being a techie?
Or if someone will trade getting my data off of HD and keeping the PC for parts...   :)
What computer is it?  ;)

Honestly quite easy to buy an adapter and plug the hard drive into any new pc
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2023, 09:00:19 PM »
So I didnt back up my computer and it died.
Any recommendations how to get the old data off of it cheaply without being a techie?
Or if someone will trade getting my data off of HD and keeping the PC for parts...   :)
Computers rarely "die" rather one of the components within the computer likely died
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