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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2023, 09:04:12 PM »
Computers rarely "die" rather one of the components within the computer likely died
Same for light bulbs. For anyone who can't repair it's considered dead.
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2023, 09:09:25 PM »
Same for light bulbs. For anyone who can't repair it's considered dead.
Can you repair a light bulb ?
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #42 on: December 17, 2023, 09:42:01 PM »
Can you repair a light bulb ?
Like change the mosfet? Your asking the wrong guy ;D
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2023, 12:51:59 AM »
So I didnt back up my computer and it died.
Any recommendations how to get the old data off of it cheaply without being a techie?
Or if someone will trade getting my data off of HD and keeping the PC for parts...   :)
Depending on the model would depend on the chotchkeh you would need to buy in order to plug it into a USB port of another computer.
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2023, 08:53:39 PM »
Depending on the model would depend on the chotchkeh you would need to buy in order to plug it into a USB port of another computer.
In Yerushalayim I'll be happy to help.

Thanks everyone for helping. So i understand i just need to pull the hard drive out of the old computer and find some adaptor that will fit on one end to the hard drive and the other to a usb? is there a universal connector?

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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2023, 09:27:44 PM »
@mevinyavin One thing I didnít notice you mention - having multiple physical backups is good but they should not be in the same house, in case thereís a fire, flood, etc.

Iíd also argue that the best storage solution for >95% of people is the one that doesnít require discipline or remembering to backup. For that reason, a set and forget online solution is by far a much better solution than what you are offering.

In regards to downloading large files, I usually keep oft-used folders on my computer and donít have to sync often, but itís usually quick when I do. Every once in a while storage starts to build up, I clear everything locally to save space and start over.
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2023, 09:42:01 PM »
Thanks everyone for helping. So i understand i just need to pull the hard drive out of the old computer and find some adaptor that will fit on one end to the hard drive and the other to a usb? is there a universal connector?

Thereís no guarantee this will work, but thatís your best and least costly bet.
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2023, 12:42:33 AM »
@mevinyavin One thing I didnít notice you mention - having multiple physical backups is good but they should not be in the same house, in case thereís a fire, flood, etc.

Iíd also argue that the best storage solution for >95% of people is the one that doesnít require discipline or remembering to backup. For that reason, a set and forget online solution is by far a much better solution than what you are offering.

In regards to downloading large files, I usually keep oft-used folders on my computer and donít have to sync often, but itís usually quick when I do. Every once in a while storage starts to build up, I clear everything locally to save space and start over.
Of course. I recommend having both online (assuming you know what you are doing) and physical for this reason. I don't but only for technical reasons, and my large external drive is not (usually) in the house.

I also keep oft-used folders in one place (and use shortcuts for what I am really working on on the desktop) which makes the sync based on one folder. I don't sync off the computer often but that's because I sync between drives inside the computer every day.
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2023, 12:43:32 AM »
Thereís no guarantee this will work, but thatís your best and least costly bet.
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in addition, there are two possible connectors, which is why we want your computer's model number.
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #49 on: December 19, 2023, 10:46:31 AM »
Of course. I recommend having both online (assuming you know what you are doing)

What are the issues with online backup to avoid?
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #50 on: December 19, 2023, 10:50:00 AM »
What are the issues with online backup to avoid?
See upthread. The gist is that some are set to store your files online ONLY and not on the computer.
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #51 on: December 19, 2023, 11:02:57 AM »
See upthread. The gist is that some are set to store your files online ONLY and not on the computer.

Wait, you mean with services like Onedrive? Onedrive is not a backup service, it is a cloud drive. That is very different and is not a backup at all. As soon as a file gets corrupted or the locked by a hacker or the like it becomes that way in all locations. I am referring to a true backup service that keeps everything as is on the computer and backs it up in the cloud.
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #52 on: December 19, 2023, 11:08:49 AM »
Wait, you mean with services like Onedrive? Onedrive is not a backup service, it is a cloud drive. That is very different and is not a backup at all. As soon as a file gets corrupted or the locked by a hacker or the like it becomes that way in all locations. I am referring to a true backup service that keeps everything as is on the computer and backs it up in the cloud.
I know that, you know that, but not everyone does. You never encountered someone who though Onedrive was a backup service? I have.
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #53 on: December 19, 2023, 11:13:13 AM »
I know that, you know that, but not everyone does. You never encountered someone who though Onedrive was a backup service? I have.

Right here on this thread. But the issue isn't online backup but using a cloud drive as an online backup.
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #54 on: December 19, 2023, 11:13:42 AM »
+1
There are two possible connectors, which is why we want your computer's model number.

Even with the right connector, itís possible his HDD is what broke.
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #55 on: December 19, 2023, 11:17:39 AM »
Even with the right connector, itís possible his HDD is what broke.
Which we also said.
EDIT: I see, you didn't interpret the +1 as agreeing with you and then adding something else. My fault.
Can you change my post above and add "in addition" to my second sentence?
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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #56 on: December 19, 2023, 05:15:27 PM »
I have a laptop with multiple microsoft accounts. Most of the data is connected to one of them, although it's all locally available. If I remove the microsoft account will it delete the data?

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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2023, 10:10:35 AM »
I have a laptop with multiple microsoft accounts. Most of the data is connected to one of them, although it's all locally available. If I remove the microsoft account will it delete the data?

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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2023, 02:08:23 PM »
First thing you do, right now, is make sure you have bitlocker turned OFF. Go now.
Thanks, I already checked that out, it was off to begin with.
My main concern is that the onedrive account it's using is under a license that probably should have expired a while ago, and I'm nervous if they delete the online account I will lose all the data on the laptop. Basically I want to preempt what might happen, and just disconnect the account.

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Re: PSA: Back up your data !!! (aka Avoiding Data Recovery - Any Questions?)
« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2023, 03:30:00 PM »
1. I have a hard drive from a laptop that broke a couple of years ago (the drive is presumably not the problem - it wouldn't turn on).
How likely is it that I can get my files out by just plugging it in with a USB cable?
If it's a decent shot, which cable? The laptop was a Toshiba Satellite C855-S5194.

2. Is there any way to know when a hard drive might become a problem? I've got a couple of SeaGate external drives of varying ages.

3. Do USBs, memory cards, or any other media also stop working over time, or is that only an issue with hard drives?
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