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Tefilas Haderech Map
« on: December 18, 2023, 11:25:22 AM »
Does such a thing exist?

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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2023, 11:31:57 AM »
wdym? Delineating when you have to say TH?
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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2023, 11:32:34 AM »
What would it have on it?
An alert when you've driven far enough to say tefilas haderech?

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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2023, 11:45:07 AM »
What would it have on it?
An alert when you've driven far enough to say tefilas haderech?



It is more complicated than that according to R Shlomo Miller and others. You need to know where the city ends to know where to start counting and you would measure that similar to tchumin.
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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2023, 12:20:57 PM »
It is more complicated than that according to R Shlomo Miller and others. You need to know where the city ends to know where to start counting and you would measure that similar to tchumin.

A complicated algorithm to analyze structures in satellite images and their distance from eachother (and use?)
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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2023, 01:48:27 PM »
wdym? Delineating when you have to say TH?
A complicated algorithm to analyze structures in satellite images and their distance from eachother (and use?)
I guess something like this. I drove to the tip of Long Island today and was wondering if/when to say it.

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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2023, 01:50:33 PM »
A complicated algorithm to analyze structures in satellite images and their distance from eachother (and use?)

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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2023, 07:25:28 PM »
אין מודדים אלא מן המומחה


Crowd source

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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2023, 08:28:08 PM »

Crowd source

That is the opposite of
מן המומחה
and most people would have difficulty at best in measuring tchumin themselves.
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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2023, 09:28:49 PM »
That is the opposite of and most people would have difficulty at best in measuring tchumin themselves.


I meant based on already existing psakim, not based on their own measurements

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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2023, 10:03:52 PM »
There’s is a Sefer on the topic and he has maps in the back for many of the big cities.
But I imagine that the metzius can and does change.

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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2023, 10:12:29 PM »
There’s is a Sefer on the topic and he has maps in the back for many of the big cities.
But I imagine that the metzius can and does change.

A מומחה producing an algorithm is more reliable than a מומחה printing a book…
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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2023, 10:35:54 PM »
Years ago, my older aunt was ready to say tefilas haderech when we got on the Verrazano Bridge from Brooklyn. My father argued (as he always did when it came to this aunt) that the city continues in Staten Island. She insisted that 'was what we always did'. My father didn't buy it.
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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2023, 11:39:17 PM »
Years ago, my older aunt was ready to say tefilas haderech when we got on the Verrazano Bridge from Brooklyn. My father argued (as he always did when it came to this aunt) that the city continues in Staten Island. She insisted that 'was what we always did'. My father didn't buy it.

Your aunt was right. NYC is an עיר העשוי' כקשת in that area.
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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2023, 02:07:26 AM »
What about some of the other nyc boundaries /bridges?

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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2023, 02:08:34 AM »
A מומחה producing an algorithm is more reliable than a מומחה printing a book…
for things like techum that is unlikely

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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2023, 10:06:02 AM »
and most people would have difficulty at best in measuring tchumin themselves.
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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2023, 10:14:24 AM »
What about some of the other nyc boundaries /bridges?

I don't want to give a rule for all without a more thorough review, but if there is a specific one you are asking about I can review. The bridges between Brooklyn and Manhattan are all okay.
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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2023, 10:28:19 AM »
Rabbi Berkovits says Tefillas Haderech between Y-m and Bnei Brak/Bet Shemesh/Tel Aviv/North etc at the turn off to Bet Shemesh. He says it is the only area along the route you can say it at. If they take the 443, he says it in Shma Koleinu the Shemoneh Esrei before (assuming he knows in advance), otherwise without shem and malchus.
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Re: Tefilas Haderech Map
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2023, 10:30:04 AM »
Rabbi Berkovits says Tefillas Haderech between Y-m and Bnei Brak/Bet Shemesh/Tel Aviv/North etc at the turn off to Bet Shemesh. He says it is the only area along the route you can say it at. If they take the 443, he says it in Shma Koleinu the Shemoneh Esrei before (assuming he knows in advance), otherwise without shem and malchus.


I'm assuming that can be employed for all safek situations