Radical "Terrorist" Gang Digs Tunnels And Breaks 770 Wall

[yungermanchik]

Tunes not matching the words is an old pet peeve of mine.

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=113100.

[neveryou]

https://youtu.be/7i46CiJcjdM?si=Q7yeYcqr7tJOp8EW

[ExGingi]

פרדס חב״ד

Which volume?

[imayid2]

Which volume?

5

[aygart]

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=113100.

You can see it in my comments there especially the one below which fits here, but the peeve is much older than 3 years.

There is a story that a student of Chazan Leibele Glantz once asked him to teach his Tfilas Tal. Chazan Glantz replied by telling him that he can't just teach it but that the student needs to first learn and understand tfilas tal, learn the history of the piyut and its author and only then would he be able to teach it to him. After the student did that and returned to him he tested the student on the piyut and then said to him "you know the piyut so well and you want me to teach you a nusach? If you know it well you should be making your own!"

Quite the opposite of the way MBD described how his songs get composed at a HASC concert.

[TheAsh]

And back to our topic:
https://www.faanews.com/2024/01/major-victory-for-merkos-aguch-new-york.html

MAJOR VICTORY FOR MERKOS & AGUCH: NEW YORK APPEALS COURT AFFIRMS THEIR OWNERSHIP OF 770





The Appellate Term of the Supreme Court of the State of New York has just issued a verdict on the long-brewing case of the ownership rights to the main shul at 770 Eastern Parkway – Lubavitch World Headquarters in Brooklyn, NY.



Judges Wavny Toussaint, Marina Cora Mundy and Lisa Ottley have issued a written ruling on the matter, just weeks after the 770 shul made international headlines due to the anarchy displayed there and the unauthorized construction work by bochurim.



Agudas Chassidei Chabad (Aguch) and Merkos L’Inyonei Chinuch, central organizations of the Chabad-Lubavitch movement, are the stated owners of the 770 and 778 buildings. Howard Wintner and David S. Abramson of The Abramson Group, PLLC represented them.



Fighting them is Congregation Lubavitch, Inc. (“CLI”) led by the 770 Gabboim Zalman Lipskier and Avrohom Holtzberg, and former 770 shamash Sholom Ber Kievman. Edward S. Rudofsky, P.C. represented them.



The appellants, Gabboim / CLI claim that the main shul belongs to the Crown Heights community and not the Chabad establishment, and as such, they are the legal caretakers and decision-makers of the 770 shul on the ground floor of the 778 building.



The Gabboim have set up offices in the shul building.



As the case dragged on in court for some 20 years, the Gabboim had de facto control over the Shul. Under their control, rough bochurim, believing the Rebbe is physically alive, have banished people from the premises, exercised violence, and dug the infamous tunnel to expand 770.



A few years ago, the Civil Court ruled in favor of Aguch and Merkos, granting them ownership of the building. The Gabboim appealed that decision to the Appellate Term of the Supreme Court of the State of New York.



Judges Wavny Toussaint, Marina Cora Mundy and Lisa Ottley have now dismissed this appeal, writing, "appellants have not established any rights to the subject premises, let alone rights greater than petitioners’ rights."



In granting victory to Merkos and Aguch, the judges noted that Merkos and Aguch wrote in their appeal brief that they are operating the synagogue for religious purposes and that “once [they] regain possession and control of the Synagogue, any person who acts with proper decorum will be allowed to worship at the Synagogue.”



Rabbi Eli Cohen, Executive Director of the CHJCC who supports the Gabboim/CLI, told COLlive.com that the Gabboim will comply with the order as far as surrendering the Kingston Avenue buildings to Merkos and that now this case is resolved, they look forward to working together with Merkos and Aguch leadership to restore order to the shul and to planning the needed expansion.



Yaacov Behrman, a PR liaison for Merkos, added:



“When taken together, these two court determinations confirm the full rights of ownership in Aguch and Merkos and their legal ability to restore order, respect, and reverence to the Rebbe’s Shul.”

[imayid2]

I hear that the appeals court ruled in favor of CLI and dismissed the judgment in favor of Aguch.

So now can the Gaboim finally step down and allow for some law and order instead of anarchy?

I’m confused. Who won?

And back to our topic:
https://www.faanews.com/2024/01/major-victory-for-merkos-aguch-new-york.html

[Dan]

I’m confused. Who won?

Yes.

[Yehuda57]

I’m confused. Who won?

Same as always, the lawyers

[Chuchum Ainer]

And back to our topic:
https://www.faanews.com/2024/01/major-victory-for-merkos-aguch-new-york.html

This very clearly a copy-paste of most of this:
https://collive.com/new-york-appeal-court-releases-decision-in-770-case/
I'm curious as to why they made their changes and omissions (maybe to shorten it?), but then again, maybe I shouldn't be learning diyukim from a blogger's understanding of a chassidic news site's understanding of three people's understandings of a court decision.
Tachlis they probably all got it from whatsapp anyway.

[aygart]

maybe I shouldn't be learning diyukim from a blogger's understanding of ......

Especially not this blogger

[Euclid]

Especially not this blogger

He obviously has a lawyer or paralegal writing for him these days

[aygart]

He obviously has a lawyer or paralegal writing for him these days

That doesn't change his agenda. I have a suspicion who is writing for him.

[Euclid]

That doesn't change his agenda. I have a suspicion who is writing for him.

Jan Meyer obviously

[ExGingi]

I’m confused. Who won?

TBH I didn't read the ruling nor have I been following the case.

FWIU this ruling affirms what I have said from day 1. This isn't a Landlord Tennant case. CLI is a corporation, they could have and should have claimed from the outset that they don't occupy the premises (which is true, other than the offices which they are evicted from). The מתפללים use the shul. Are they to be evicted? If the claim is that the Gabboim aren't legitimate, that is in no way a L/T case. So affirming real estate ownership rights means nothing as far as the shul in practical terms.

So much money wasted over egos and refusal to talk to each other and settle things without legal battles or in Beis Din.

[ExGingi]

I’m confused. Who won?

Why not try feeding the verdict to ChatGPT and other AI tools to get an answer?

[ExGingi]

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Anyone curious to read the entire thing (the end might explain @Dan's dilemma regarding מנהג חב"ד).

https://www.kramim.info/article/ניגון-ונגינה-שץ-וחזן/42463894

[Something Fishy]

An Arab customer in Canarsie asked my father yesterday if "the tunnels that they dug" were in his synagogue, and if thy're the same people protesting along with the Palestinians...

[ExGingi]

An Arab customer in Canarsie asked my father yesterday if "the tunnels that they dug" were in his synagogue, and if thy're the same people protesting along with the Palestinians...

Should this be cross-posted to the war thread? 

[Euclid]

Should this be cross-posted to the war thread? 

There's another one?