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Purim Katan - Master Thread
« on: February 09, 2024, 03:25:03 AM »
Here's the place to discuss any Halachos or Minhagim, Hashkafa, ideas or anything else to post regarding Purim Katan.

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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2024, 07:51:41 AM »
just start discussing anything practical and it will divert into a Halacha thread c'minhag #DDF

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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2024, 08:01:36 AM »
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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2024, 03:02:19 PM »
just start discussing anything practical and it will divert into a Halacha thread c'minhag #DDF
OK, here goes.
The minhag is not to say tachanun.

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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2024, 06:36:04 PM »
just start discussing anything practical and it will divert into a Halacha thread c'minhag #DDF

But since it’s Purim katan one can expect a venahapoch hu: Make a thread for Halacha and people will start discussing everything else…
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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2024, 04:46:07 AM »
But since it’s Purim katan one can expect a venahapoch hu: Make a thread for Halacha and people will start discussing everything else…
Are you going to enforce this rule?
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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2024, 12:03:53 PM »
And then there’s those who take it a little bit off topic and then it’s gone for good

Regarding yartzeits, if a yartzeit is in Adar, it should be observed in Adar l and not Adar ll
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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2024, 12:11:58 PM »
And then there’s those who take it a little bit off topic and then it’s gone for good

Regarding yartzeits, if a yartzeit is in Adar, it should be observed in Adar l and not Adar ll
Does this include if the person originally died in adar II?

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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2024, 12:21:47 PM »
Are you going to enforce this rule?
Probable not since
it’s Purim katan one can expect a venahapoch hu

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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2024, 12:22:06 PM »
And then there’s those who take it a little bit off topic and then it’s gone for good

Regarding yartzeits, if a yartzeit is in Adar, it should be observed in Adar l and not Adar ll
Don't be so sure if you're not sure.

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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2024, 12:45:25 PM »
OK, here goes.
The minhag is not to say tachanun.

Minhag or halacha?

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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2024, 02:57:27 PM »
Does this include if the person originally died in adar II?
I don’t know
Rabbi Blumenkranz from far Rockaway was niftar in Adar and they had yartzeit this past week
Reb Moshe’s yartzeit is coming up too if someone knows when the yartzeit is being observed
nothings impossible- the word itself says Im possible

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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2024, 03:05:21 PM »
I don’t know
Rabbi Blumenkranz from far Rockaway was niftar in Adar and they had yartzeit this past week
Reb Moshe’s yartzeit is coming up too if someone knows when the yartzeit is being observed
Erev Purim (it's not Taanis Esther this year)
Small people talk about other people.
Average people talk about things
BIG PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IDEAS.

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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2024, 07:01:01 PM »
Regarding yartzeits, if a yartzeit is in Adar, it should be observed in Adar l and not Adar ll

A slight reprieve for people with yahrtzeit on purim…
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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2024, 07:34:45 PM »
A slight reprieve for people with yahrtzeit on purim…
Don't be so sure if you're not sure.

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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2024, 04:55:57 AM »
   חתם סופר (או"ח סי' ר"ח ד"ה ומ"ש, עי' סי' קס"ג) – "ומ"ש דפורים וחנוכה וכל ימי מגילת תענית לעשות זכר לנס ממות לחיים הוא דאורייתא ממש מק"ו כדאיתא פ"ק דמגילה, יעיין רמב"ן סוף שרש ב', מכל מקום היינו לעשות שום זכר לנס, אבל איכות וכמות הזכרון ההוא הוא מדרבנן, כגון קריאת מגלה ומשלוח מנות והדלקת נרות בחנוכה הכל מדרבנן, אבל לעשות שום זכר קצת ולכל הפחות לאסרו בהספד ותענית הוא דאורייתא מק"ו הנ"ל. ובזה נתיישב לי מ"ט וסברא לאסור בהספד ותענית בי"ד וט"ו באדר הראשון, ממה נפשך אם אין עושין אותו פורים ממש מה ענין לאוסרו בהספד ותענית. והנה בלא"ה נמי צריך עיון מה ראו באמת לקבוע פורים בשני משום מסמך גאולה לגאולה עדיף, הלא זריזין מקדימין למצות ואין מעבירין על המצות עדיף מעשות מצוה מן המובחר כמבואר בתשו' רדב"ז [הישנות סי' י"ג] ותשובת ח"צ סי' ק"ו ומשנה למלך הל' מגלה פ"א הל' י"א. ומיהו לזה י"ל דוקא במצוה שכבר מוטל עליו יש לו לזרז ולהקדים ולא להמתין, אבל מצוה שאנו מקבלים עלינו תחלה ועדיין לא נתחייבנו בה, לא שייך כל כך זריזין וטוב לקבוע ביום המובחר והיינו מסמך גאולה לגאולה, ואך לפי הנחה שהנחנו שעכ"פ מדאורייתא מחוייבים לעשות שום זכר לכל הפחות לאוסרו בהספד ותענית, א"כ מחוייבים לעשות מיד באדר הראשון משום אין מעבירין על המצות ובזה מודה ר' שמעון בן גמליאל לר' אלעזר ב"ר שמעון, אך מה שהוספנו אנחנו מגלה ושמחה ומשלוח מנות אנחנו קובעים ביום המובחר בשני למיסמך גאולה לגאולה, ועיין כל זה פ"ק דמגלה וי"ו ע"ב ויובנו דברי כי הקצרתי".

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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2024, 10:00:23 AM »
I don’t know
Rabbi Blumenkranz from far Rockaway was niftar in Adar and they had yartzeit this past week
Reb Moshe’s yartzeit is coming up too if someone knows when the yartzeit is being observed
Rabbi Blumenkrantz was niftar days before a close relative of mine, I believe on the 4th of Adar, which would be tonight/tomorrow.  (There was one Adar that year.)
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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2024, 11:04:57 AM »
https://dinonline.org/2024/02/11/yarzeit-on-adar-during-a-leap-year/

Q. My mothers Yarzeit is on 19 ADAR. do we follow Adar 1 or Adar 2 during a leap year?

A. Hello,

It depends on what minhagim you follow. If you as Sefardi, then you would do the Yahrtzeit during the second Adar, however the Ashkenazi minhag is to do it in the first Adar. Additionally, there are poskim who say that the Ashkenazim should follow both. Therefore, if you are Ahkenazi, you would follow the first Adar, and do the second one as optional.

Sources:
שולחן ערוך אורח חיים הלכות תענית סימן תקסח סעיף ז “כשאירע יום שמת אביו או אמו באדר, והשנה מעוברת, יתענה באדר ב’. הגה: ויש אומרים דיתענה בראשון (מהרי”ל ומהר”י מינץ), אם לא שמת בשנת העיבור באדר שני דאז נוהגים להתענות בשני (ת”ה סימן רצ”ה /רצ”ד/); וכן המנהג להתענות בראשון, מיהו יש מחמירין להתענות בשניהם (פסקי מהר”י בשם מהר”י מולין)” משנה ברורה סימן תקסח ס”ק מא “שמת אביו או אמו באדר והשנה מעוברת – ר”ל שבשנה שמת בו אביו לא היה השנה מעוברת ובשנים הבאים אח”כ איתרמי שנה מעוברת דעת המחבר דסתם אדר הוא אדר שני וי”א להיפך וגם יש בענינינו טעם דאין מעבירין על המצות

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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2024, 12:43:59 PM »
https://yated.com/purim-koton-a-day-of-solace-and-connection/

Rabbi Yaakov Feitman
February 14, 2024

Klal Yisroel has no minor days. Of course, some are de’Oraisa, Biblical, and others derabbonon, instituted by the rabbis. Some have many specific mitzvos, such as Sukkos; others rather few, such as Shavuos. However, each is unique in its own way and offers us spiritual opportunities not available anywhere else or at any other time.

Next Friday, the 14th of the first Adar, is known as Purim Koton, literally the small Purim. According to the Mishnah (Megillah 6b), there is actually “no difference between the first and second Adar except the reading of the Megillah and gifts to the poor.” The Ran (ibid.) adds that mishloach manos are included in matanos la’evyonim. In any case, it is clear that Purim Koton has some significance, but it is not at all clear what that might be. If Purim was celebrated solely during the second Adar of a leap year, there would be no halachic ramifications for the first one at all. However, we know (see Mishnah Berurah, end of 5737) that we do not recite Tachanun and fasting is prohibited, so Purim Koton is not merely a hava amina (rejected consideration), but a real day of kedusha. Some Chassidic Rebbes conduct a tish (a formal commemoration) but it seems difficult to define exactly why. I believe that especially this year, this unusual and somewhat rare Yom Tov can offer us a great deal of chizuk when we need it.

Rav Dovid Kohn, the Toldos Aharon Rebbe (Hadeia Vehadibbur, “Purim Koton,” page 30), provides us with a fascinating and useful tool for spiritual growth this coming week. He cites “holy works” that teach that every time we encounter differences between kodesh and chol – the holy and profane – there is a middle level that serves as an intermediary between them. He lists Chol Hamoed and Motzoei Shabbos as primary examples, because each is connected to days that are holier, but they, too, retain a certain madreigah of kedusha. He sources this idea in the writings of the Arizal (see Pri Eitz Chaim, end of Shaar HaShabbos) that, for instance, the neshomah yeseirah, the enhanced Shabbos soul, does not leave until after melava malka, and that this special time has both halachic and hashkafah distinctions from the mundane days of the rest of the week.

So what exactly is Purim Koton? He cites the Gemara (Megillah 13b) that when Haman threw his famous lottery, from which Purim itself derives its name, he was overjoyed that the day that he hoped to destroy us on fell in Adar. As we are aware, he knew that Moshe Rabbeinu passed away during Adar, but he was unaware that it was also his birthday. We should add that the Maharal (see commentary to the siddur on Al Hanissim) explains that Haman was certain that attempting his evil plan of genocide would work during this month because “he would make an end to us at the end [of the year].” The Toldos Aharon Rebbe goes on to point out that “Mordechai in his generation was like Moshe in his generation” (Esther Rabbah 6:2). Therefore, just as during Moshe Rabbeinu’s time the enemy was Bilam, who was Moshe’s nemesis in greatness on the evil side, so did Mordechai have to overcome the power of Haman and his plot during his generation.

The rebbe demonstrates that just as Moshe Rabbeinu was the antithesis of Paroh and thwarted him on his own turf, growing up in his palace, so did Mordechai triumph over Haman even after he had been handed the power of the royal signet ring with the full of assent of Achashveirosh the king. Moshe Rabbeinu overcame the sorcery and necromancy of Paroh and Egypt, and Mordechai was ascendant over Haman even though he had been empowered by the king. The rebbe sees Purim Koton as commemorating the “turnabout” (Esther 9:1), where it became clear that Hashem makes Klal Yisroel prevail over nature by means of His supernatural powers.

The reason that this is reflected in Purim Koton is that the leap year was established to regulate the lunar (Klal Yisroel) months and solar (secular) calendar. This is how the intermediary madreigah of Purim Koton allows for the connection between the natural and the supernatural, making a havdalah between them, but also allowing the holy to triumph over the profane. The rebbe cites the Rambam (Hilchos Kiddush Hachodesh, chapter 4) that in order for Pesach to always fall during the spring season (chodesh ha’aviv), it was necessary to add a month of Adar. This was done according to the halacha so that the geulah of Purim would fall just before the redemption of Pesach. The rebbe concludes that, therefore, Purim Koton carries all the spiritual energy of the regular Purim, but only in microcosmic form. He teaches that this periodic arrangement, every few years, reminds us that Klal Yisroel is never under any other power (no mazalos, constellations), even when there are no open miracles happening. We may add that this is truly the essence of Purim itself.

We are in a time of hester ponim, when Hashem is hiding His face from us and we don’t always feel His steady Hand guiding history and our nation. But of course, He is with us every step of the way. This is the message of Purim Koton. It is not only when the miracle has occurred and we have been saved that we celebrate. As we saw, the Mishnah Berurah rules that we should have a small seudah on Purim Koton, because here, too, there is kevod Shomayim and Hashem’s intervention for us. In fact, it is so appropriate that only Purim periodically carries a second “sister Yom Tov,” because Purim itself was fashioned to look like teva/nature to the world, while we are well aware that it is as miraculous as the splitting of the sea.

Although this should be enough to uplift our spirits this Purim Koton, we will turn to another Chassidic source for a bit more. The Sochatchover Rebbe (Sheim M’Shmuel, Tetzaveh, page 163) teaches that “Purim was a double miracle constituting the rescue of Klal Yisroel and the destruction of thousands of Amalekites.” Corresponding to these two nissim, we were given two distinct mitzvos, the reading of the Megillah and the Purim seudah. The Gemara (Megillah 10a) tells us that the reading of the Megillah is in place of Hallel, which thanks Hashem for our rescue, whereas the seudah, says the Sheim M’Shmuel, celebrates the downfall of our enemy. The disagreement between various opinions whether or not the main Purim falls right after Shevat or right before Nissan revolves around the question of which miracle was the most important. The prevailing opinion that Purim is celebrated mainly in the Adar closest to Pesach reflects the idea that our geulah from Mitzrayim was the main thing and the downfall of Egypt was only incidental, since it was necessary. However, the opinion that the main Purim is during the first Adar takes the position that since the month of Teves and half of Shevat belong to Eisav and Purim represents the triumph over Eisav, our victory over Amalek would be the most important and therefore Purim would have been placed in the first Adar. Nevertheless, even now that we celebrate Purim during the second Adar, the first Adar still retains the lesser but still important element of gratitude to Hashem for our partial eradication of Amalek, with the finality coming with Moshiach.

I believe that we can now look at Purim Koton with new eyes. It is true that we are living at a time when Klal Yisroel has suffered terrible and brutal losses. However, Purim Koton reminds us that there is an interim time when much is accomplished for kevod Shomayim as well. First of all, as this paper and this column as well have pointed out, there is a tremendous kiddush Hashem happening in Eretz Yisroel today. A prominent Torah author and speaker told me recently that he cannot remember such a wonderful time in Eretz Yisroel of achdus and return to Torah. Furthermore, with Hashem’s help, we will hopefully have more victories over enemies, despite political and other pressures. Purim Koton also reminds us that while other nations live and exist only by the laws of nature, our power is not limited by nature at all, since we are guided by the Creator of that nature. He utilizes it and overrides it at will.

Purim Koton also helps us make the important connection between the geulos, that of Purim and that of Pesach. Purim’s was couched in the appearance of a natural story – hester ponim – while Pesach was the open and stunning overcoming of all the laws of man and nature. We need Moshe Rabbeinu and we need Mordechai, for both are the agents of Hashem’s Hashgocha. May it be His will that we should soon see the double yeshuah of Purim Koton and Purim Gadol with Moshiach Tzidkeinu bimeheirah beyomeinu.

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Re: Purim Katan - Master Thread
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2024, 04:33:44 AM »
A freilichen Purim Katan!!

Psak from Rav Berkovits. Notice how he only discusses the halacha altz Erev Shabbos and the inyan of shichrus but not if it is kedai to have the seudah.
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Question: Regarding Purim Katan - What does Rebbe think of the idea of getting into a proper Purim seudah, with
the goal of tapping into the avoida that one tries to tap into on Purim, however finds himself very distracted
with all the various obligations, whether family or social or position related etc. This is a great opportunity
to go with the machmirim to make a seudah, and tap into the avoida free of distractions. Not just use this
as an excuse for a party, rather with good like minded chevrah trying to get into the heilege avoidas Purim
- including the avoida of ad d’loi yada. This year it falls on Erev Shabbos -should we start before chatzos?
Can we do poires mapah?
Rav Berkovits: Including getting shikkur? The issue is shikrus, shikrus when it’s not Purim. Do you have
rishus to do it? Yes, you have rishus to do it. Yesh al mi lismoich. It’s not really our mehalech, but if you
want to, you could. Provided that Friday night there will really be a seudas Shabbos. We aren’t mafsid a
Shabbos for an "ein bein". They should start before chatzos. To be poires maapeh is a machlokes m’tzad
the berachos (hamotzei and bri hagafen), and you shouldn’t do it on Purim Katan when there is no chiyuv.
Additionally, starting the seudah that late, although it’s not assur, it’s just not the right thing, to have a
seudah Friday afternoon after tesha shaos.
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