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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2024, 11:49:39 PM »
How can they present it? Through witnesses. The same witnesses who testified in the first trial, no?
No. It was written that way in the jury instructions.

To give a little background, the two charges in the new trial were barely mentioned at all during the first trial. The focus of the first trial was on the other three counts, which alleged that he misused public money. Until the last day of the trial, when the judge changed the rules, a conviction on counts 3 and 5 (the two he was convicted of) was not allowed without a conviction on one of the other counts. So instead of confusing the jury, the defense focused on counts 1, 2, and 4, which was the primary focus of the entire case. But after they rested their case, the judge disconnected counts 3 and 5 from 1, 2, and 4, and that is how he was able to be convicted.

Now, the entire case is focused on Counts 3 and 5, so a lot more is naturally being discussed about them.

(Count 3 is financial facilitation, which means that the defendant used the proceeds of one crime to commit another. During the first trial, the first crime WAS the other counts, until the judge allowed them to convict on it without a conviction on the other counts. Since he was vindicated on the other counts, the prosecution has repeatedly shifted their narrative as to what the first crime is.)

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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2024, 10:05:21 AM »
No. It was written that way in the jury instructions.

To give a little background, the two charges in the new trial were barely mentioned at all during the first trial. The focus of the first trial was on the other three counts, which alleged that he misused public money. Until the last day of the trial, when the judge changed the rules, a conviction on counts 3 and 5 (the two he was convicted of) was not allowed without a conviction on one of the other counts. So instead of confusing the jury, the defense focused on counts 1, 2, and 4, which was the primary focus of the entire case. But after they rested their case, the judge disconnected counts 3 and 5 from 1, 2, and 4, and that is how he was able to be convicted.

Now, the entire case is focused on Counts 3 and 5, so a lot more is naturally being discussed about them.

(Count 3 is financial facilitation, which means that the defendant used the proceeds of one crime to commit another. During the first trial, the first crime WAS the other counts, until the judge allowed them to convict on it without a conviction on the other counts. Since he was vindicated on the other counts, the prosecution has repeatedly shifted their narrative as to what the first crime is.)
What a scam! Is a judge allowed to keep changing the rules like this?

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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2024, 02:23:31 PM »
The trial is scheduled to start next week, but a major hearing is scheduled for 9:00 tomorrow morning. The judge will basically set the rules for the trial, and determine what the prosecution will be allowed to say to the jury and which exhibits they can use as evidence. The prosecution also wants to try to convict with new theories that contradict what they said previously. The decision tomorrow will literally shape the entire trial. If the judge doesn't stop them, they will ch"v have a much bigger chance of getting a conviction.

Any update on how this went?

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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2024, 05:07:01 PM »
Any update on how this went?
Won some and lost some. My understanding is that the defense lost most of their requests, but some of the ones they won can be really impactful. I'll try to update after I get a clearer picture of what happened.
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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2024, 05:13:58 PM »
Won some and lost some. My understanding is that they lost most of their requests, but some of the ones they won can be really impactful. I'll try to update after I get a clearer picture of what happened.
Who's "they"?

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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #45 on: July 02, 2024, 05:15:02 PM »
Who's "they"?
updated my post to clarify

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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2024, 04:39:44 PM »
סימנא מילתא היא

The key eid for the קטיגור, who is detective on their team, showed up today straight from the bais cholim. They discovered a machlacha in his mo'ach. Needs a nitu'ach ASAP. Not sure if he will be able to be mai'id in this case. Situation still unclear, but what a siman.

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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #47 on: July 09, 2024, 05:11:25 PM »
סימנא מילתא היא

The key eid for the קטיגור, who is detective on their team, showed up today straight from the bais cholim. They discovered a machlacha in his mo'ach. Needs a nitu'ach ASAP. Not sure if he will be able to be mai'id in this case. Situation still unclear, but what a siman.

eid mubarak to you too

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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #48 on: July 10, 2024, 08:05:54 PM »
eid mubarak to you too
Does this have something to do with yom eidehem
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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2024, 08:14:35 PM »
Seems like the state is trying to rush things up to get testimony before it's too late.

In general, the goal of askanim is to keep things shtill as to not wake up secular sites. If they wake up themselves, there will likely be more openness on frum sites. Vehameivin Yavin.

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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2024, 08:45:07 PM »
Seems like the state is trying to rush things up to get testimony before it's too late.

In general, the goal of askanim is to keep things shtill as to not wake up secular sites. If they wake up themselves, there will likely be more openness on frum sites. Vehameivin Yavin.
Thanks for keeping us updated. I was wondering.

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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #51 on: July 11, 2024, 04:53:00 PM »
A reporter and photographer from the APP was there today, so expect updates there אנפורטונאטלי.

In any event, judge spent a lot of time today on the motions, and he came pretty close to tossing out the whole thing. I wasn't there, but it seems like the the judge couldn't figure out what the crime was, but eventually he gave the green light for the trial to start. Opening arguments today, with witnesses supposed to start testifying tomorrow.

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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #52 on: July 12, 2024, 02:45:43 PM »
No reporters in court today, and the APP piece today was behind a paywall, so the assumption still is that the י"ב אנשים still can't access נייעס, and therefore it's still שטיל.

This morning was a sole eid, the detective who ran the raid. It was only direct examination, with cross scheduled for Monday. No major action yet.

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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #53 on: July 12, 2024, 04:14:05 PM »
I have doubts about the incomprehensibility of these posts.
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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #54 on: July 12, 2024, 05:08:10 PM »
I don't. They are thoroughly incomprehensible.

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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #55 on: July 12, 2024, 05:18:17 PM »
I'm thinking about taking this conversation to another thread. Maybe the DEAD one in JS. With the Chinese.

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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #56 on: July 15, 2024, 02:52:14 PM »
Atzeres tefillah tonight for Rav Osher ben Chana Frumet Eisenman at BMG Ateres Esther (downstairs of Bais yitzchok) 10:30 pm divrei hisoirerus Rav Yeruchom Olshin shlita.

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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #57 on: July 15, 2024, 07:35:32 PM »
Atzeres tefillah tonight for Rav Osher ben Chana Frumet Eisenman at BMG Ateres Esther (downstairs of Bais yitzchok) 10:30 pm divrei hisoirerus Rav Yeruchom Olshin shlita.
I believe it's not in Ateres Esther, but it's in the upstairs bais medrash of Bais Yitzchok.

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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2024, 07:54:57 PM »
I believe it's not in Ateres Esther, but it's in the upstairs bais medrash of Bais Yitzchok.
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Re: The Eisemann Persecution
« Reply #59 on: July 17, 2024, 05:36:56 PM »
Any updates from this week?