Tipping At The Barber Shop. Is It A Must?

[HudZ]

Dan is not your mother.

REALLY?!? 

[HudZ]

What did your mother say about you hanging around on the internet with strangers too much, or you didn't tell her you do?..

My mother knows about ddf, I don't think she thinks of it as 'Strangers'...

[Just A Jew]

The things we learn about Dan...

[jj1000]

@HudZ It's pretty obvious that your mother checked this thread when you asked and just repeated what Dan wrote...

[HudZ]

@HudZ It's pretty obvious that your mother checked this thread when you asked and just repeated what Dan wrote...

Lol. Not quite though.

[metsgiantsfan]

I was at the barber shop this past friday getting a haircut... They charge $17...
After the haircut I gave the barber a $20 bill, and he took $3 from the register to give back as change... He held those $3 in a fanned position where I was able to see all of them at the same time, and he held onto it very tightly. It was definitely indicative that he expected me to give him some of it as a tip. However I took all 3... I was thinking abt it and I figured that for a $17 haircut, which took him around 7-8 minutes, a tip isn't necessary.(I don't have a 'fancy' haircut with all different fades etc.. Just an ordinary haircut -some hair left in the front, rounded back...)

Am I wrong?
What do you think?

you are so wrong!  first off, $17 is cheap. my haircuts take 7-10 minutes, they are just buzzing it, no scissors. But of course you give a tip. Its an unwritten rule and by you not giving a tip makes you look like a total jerk. Also, unless its the owner (who you should still tip), the babrer that cut your hair only makes a portion of the haircut itself..maybe they get 20% who knows..the tips are essentially what keeps them going. I dont want to sound mean, and this is not being mean i just dont know how else to put it in words since I am not the best "speaker, but its people like you who don't tip where you should cause establishments to put that really crappy automatic 18%-20% tip in the actual bill.

[metsgiantsfan]

Ok, So I came out with a conclusion...
I was on the phone with my mother a little earlier, so decided I'll ask her what she thinks about giving tips at the barbershop...
She told me I should for sure give at least $2 if not $3...
So I got my answer... Bli Neder that's what I'll be doing when I go to the barber shop next...

if your mom is telling you $2-3, you should probably double it..its the year of 2024

[Moshe Green]

Yeah, cuz now i'm 88!!

88 and a half.

[HudZ]

you are so wrong!  first off, $17 is cheap. my haircuts take 7-10 minutes, they are just buzzing it, no scissors. But of course you give a tip. Its an unwritten rule and by you not giving a tip makes you look like a total jerk. Also, unless its the owner (who you should still tip), the babrer that cut your hair only makes a portion of the haircut itself..maybe they get 20% who knows..the tips are essentially what keeps them going. I dont want to sound mean, and this is not being mean i just dont know how else to put it in words since I am not the best "speaker, but its people like you who don't tip where you should cause establishments to put that really crappy automatic 18%-20% tip in the actual bill.

Tip- (a different type of tip😛) Finish the thread before you reply next time. 😉

As u said in your post, I'll say too- I don't mean to be mean...

[Definitions2]

you are so wrong!  first off, $17 is cheap. my haircuts take 7-10 minutes, they are just buzzing it, no scissors. But of course you give a tip. Its an unwritten rule and by you not giving a tip makes you look like a total jerk. Also, unless its the owner (who you should still tip), the babrer that cut your hair only makes a portion of the haircut itself..maybe they get 20% who knows..the tips are essentially what keeps them going. I dont want to sound mean, and this is not being mean i just dont know how else to put it in words since I am not the best "speaker, but its people like you who don't tip where you should cause establishments to put that really crappy automatic 18%-20% tip in the actual bill.

Disagree. Tipping overall is not good. It's almost like paying ransom. Raise the prices or ask for a higher percentage. Relying on tips is not the way to go.

[HudZ]

Disagree. Tipping overall is not good. It's almost like paying ransom. Raise the prices or ask for a higher percentage. Relying on tips is not the way to go.

I agree with you 100%! The whole tipping state is a huge mess. However, the fact that the world's the way it is, I can't fix that. Comes out, the proper thing to do is tip...

[HudZ]

Additionally, I was thinking abt it, My 9-10 haircuts I get a year will only come out to $18-20 in tips, a year, that's not gonna make you or break you.

(I'm just waiting for someone to say- you can say that with everything...)

[ExGingi]

Isn't there a barber in mikvah doing haircuts like in all chassidish places?

Last time I remember something like that was on Fridays at the old Skvere mikvah on Kingston Avenue. Was probably in the late 80s.

[TzviR]

Last time I remember something like that was on Fridays at the old Skvere mikvah on Kingston Avenue. Was probably in the late 80s.

I saw it in Satmar in Lakewood but I think it was before Yom Tov

[HudZ]

Do they tip? 😉

[EliJelly]

Last time I remember something like that was on Fridays at the old Skvere mikvah on Kingston Avenue. Was probably in the late 80s.

Really? Why did it stop?

I saw it in Satmar in Lakewood but I think it was before Yom Tov

Going strong at every chassidish big mikvah every Friday.

[yfr bachur]

"The charge isn't for cutting the hair, It's a finders fee for finding hair to cut..."


Also, when I give my son a haircut who gives me a tip???

[mevinyavin]

Disagree. Tipping overall is not good. It's almost like paying ransom. Raise the prices or ask for a higher percentage. Relying on tips is not the way to go.

Theoretically, I agree with you. Kach yozma (like they say here) and charge what you want to charge - it is your business. (In IL, I avoid the stores where price is a negotiation because I can't stand the concept.)
However, there's a hakol lefi hainyan a mile wide here.
For instance, take taxi drivers in EY. They get taxed a crazy amount. (It's a cash business, and they claim that the government assumes that they don't report anywhere near their earnings and therefore overtaxes what they HAVE to say they earned. Might even be true.) Rabbi Berkovits has paskined that you must use a meter when you take an IL taxi, or at least get a printed receipt, because paying them in cash without a receipt is lifnei iver deoraysa. (His opinion. I am not taking any flak for it. If you have a problem, argue with him.) The proof is how hard they argue when you insist on a meter (had one guy go down 20 shekel when I asked him for a meter).
Therefore, assuming they are courteous and don't drive like maniacs, I always tip generously. Sometimes I even promise them a tip so that they will use the meter.

I am also consciously aware that my behavior reflects on other frum Jews. This means I err on the side of caution when dealing with a Chiloni and when dealing with Arabs.

[aygart]

Theoretically, I agree with you. Kach yozma (like they say here) and charge what you want to charge - it is your business. (In IL, I avoid the stores where price is a negotiation because I can't stand the concept.)
However, there's a hakol lefi hainyan a mile wide here.
For instance, take taxi drivers in EY. They get taxed a crazy amount. (It's a cash business, and they claim that the government assumes that they don't report anywhere near their earnings and therefore overtaxes what they HAVE to say they earned. Might even be true.) Rabbi Berkovits has paskined that you must use a meter when you take an IL taxi, or at least get a printed receipt, because paying them in cash without a receipt is lifnei iver deoraysa. (His opinion. I am not taking any flak for it. If you have a problem, argue with him.) The proof is how hard they argue when you insist on a meter (had one guy go down 20 shekel when I asked him for a meter).
Therefore, assuming they are courteous and don't drive like maniacs, I always tip generously. Sometimes I even promise them a tip so that they will use the meter.

I am also consciously aware that my behavior reflects on other frum Jews. This means I err on the side of caution when dealing with a Chiloni and when dealing with Arabs.

Is a tip the same problem?

[mevinyavin]

Is a tip the same problem?

No. A tip is not considered earnings (unless it is deposited).