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I would like a list of potential pitfalls. This is not the Shulchan Aruch here, but to raise awareness, so people will know to look into it, or ask their rabbi.

As per the intention of the OP and the consensus of the majority of posters on the thread - once there are more than a couple of comments on a Halacha - take it to the Discussions Thread

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altogether unclear why a LED light would be considered muktza (or anything more than מלאכתו לאיסור)

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altogether unclear why a LED light would be considered muktza (or anything more than מלאכתו לאיסור)
It is clear that those letters were written for the older version which was using florescent CFL bulbs not LEDs.
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It is clear that those letters were written for the older version which was using florescent CFL bulbs not LEDs.
How is florescent different from LED after its already on?

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Just posting from r Cohens sefer
nothings impossible- the word itself says Im possible

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Just posting from r Cohens sefer
When was this sefer published?

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When was this sefer published?
um not sure, have you not heard of this sefer? It’s a super popular set on hilchos shabbos. He wrote ‘the sanctity of shabbos, the aura of shabbos, the shabbos home 1-2, laws of yom tov etc etc etc
nothings impossible- the word itself says Im possible

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i.e. before LEDs existed...
If someone is able to get Rav Cohen's # and call him that would be the best...
I've done so with other Halacha Sefarim and the author has clarified things...

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How is florescent different from LED after its already on?

Is it maybe that the way fluorescents produce light include arcing electricity and glowing gas which makes it closer to the "Ner" of the original takana?
Whereas LED are a glowing mineral which is not similar to the Neros of the Gemara?

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Is it maybe that the way fluorescents produce light include arcing electricity and glowing gas which makes it closer to the "Ner" of the original takana?
Whereas LED are a glowing mineral which is not similar to the Neros of the Gemara?
They are not a glowing mineral
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They are not a glowing mineral

ok. electroluminescence of semiconductor material.
I was writing in simple (though less accurate) language

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If someone is able to get Rav Cohen's # and call him that would be the best...
I've done so with other Halacha Sefarim and the author has clarified things...

https://www.godaven.com/shul-details/2157?from_search=true&latitude=40.10482&longitude=-74.19889

The number under the address is the shul's office phone and the number next to his name is his home number.
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I checked the new edition of Zachor V'Shamor (Rav PE Falk) in Maavir and he more or less rules out issues of tiltul b'ner with any electric lights (candles too!).
The new edition does not yet have section on Muktza... so if anyone has access to the old edition....

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Since Yom Kippur is on Shabbos, we will not be making Kiddush on Friday night. Therefore, when making the Beracha of Mikadesh HaShabbos Viyom Hakippurim, during Shemona Esrei at night, we should have in mind that we're making Kiddush.
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A Sukka made with lavud strings can’t consist of of 3 walls. It needs all 4 walls. I’ve seen this mistake made a number of times.

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A Sukka made with lavud strings can’t consist of of 3 walls. It needs all 4 walls. I’ve seen this mistake made a number of times.

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Iirc this is if the walls ONLY consist of lavud strings. If you have a canvas sukka and you are using the strings to make your "walls" then it may be ok to just do 3 sides.

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A Sukka made with lavud strings can’t consist of of 3 walls. It needs all 4 walls. I’ve seen this mistake made a number of times.

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This is also prevalent when using deck railings as the actual mechitza. See however shaar hatziyun 360:2 where he brings the pri megadim that even one railing going horizontal solves the problem and it is no longer a מחיצה גרועה. At least according to the mishna berurah this would take care of many levud string situations as well.

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This is also prevalent when using deck railings as the actual mechitza. See however shaar hatziyun 360:2 where he brings the pri megadim that even one railing going horizontal solves the problem and it is no longer a מחיצה גרועה. At least according to the mishna berurah this would take care of many levud string situations as well.
The חזון איש strongly disagrees with the pri megadim and points out that every erev string is by definition held up by a poles on the side. Yet it’s still a mechitza greuah.



Haven’t looked into this enough, but even those who’d rely on the pri megadim for a deck railing because it has the top pole, do they allow a erev string suka (without 4 walls)? I suspect not. This is common for people using the lavud sukos without the canvas. Or even if 2 wall are complete and they’re using it for the third wall which also seems to be a problem.
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