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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2024, 11:17:14 AM »
Unfortunately, need to have the ability to record inconspicuously.

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2024, 11:18:23 AM »
This does not sound like a "letter to executive" type of situation.

Really?  :o

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2024, 11:24:06 AM »
Was clearly unfair what took place, but it does seem the kid speaking up or not sitting down was a trigger. We need to teach kids (and adults) the rules of the friendly /authoritarian skies not bc they are fair but to help prevent incidents like these.

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2024, 11:24:56 AM »
Is there any chance to win a lawsuit without any video evidence?
Unfortunately, need to have the ability to record inconspicuously.

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2024, 11:25:58 AM »
Was clearly unfair what took place, but it does seem the kid speaking up or not sitting down was a trigger. We need to teach kids (and adults) the rules of the friendly /authoritarian skies not bc they are fair but to help prevent incidents like these.
If you see something you are scared of, you should hope for the best??

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2024, 11:28:56 AM »
If you see something you are scared of, you should hope for the best??

If he was truly scared, why the upset for being deplaned from a dangerous plane?

Obvs voicing concern is fine, and what happened was truly unfair.

Point still stands abt following rules (fair or not)

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #46 on: May 07, 2024, 11:30:26 AM »
If he was truly scared, why the upset for being deplaned from a dangerous plane?



Because he was originally blacklisted?
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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2024, 11:31:42 AM »
Just by looking at a picture of the Embraer 175 it appears that where the small set of "wings" that connect to the tail (I have no idea what they are called) seems to be slightly indented which if you don't know what it's supposed to look like or don't fly often might look a little it is dented/crushed in etc.

I don't think anyone is actually worried about the supposed dent, and I get that that part of the story is besides the point. but the way that was handled was awful.

I'm no aviation expert by any stretch, but I've been watching a lot of Mentour Pilot crash videos on Youtube, and a couple of themes have come through related to this:

- Many people have a strong fear of flying, and many pilots have a strong desire to dispel such fears and make passengers as comfortable as possible.
- Many tragic results from airplane malfunctions have been prevented or could have been prevented thanks to warnings from passengers and cabin crew about things they had noticed.

This flight crew had a clearly anxious passenger. The passenger should absolutely feel comfortable letting the crew know about a concern. It can save lives. And in a case were it isn't actually a problem (like this seems to be), they have the opportunity to calm and reassure the passenger. And I'd wager had it been any other passenger, that's what would have happened. But as the pilot was clearly prejudiced, as evidenced by the subsequent behavior, instead of reassuring the passenger, they treated it as an affront/attack.

Such thin skinned behavior does not inspire confidence they could maintain a level headed attitude in a high pressure irregular operation.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2024, 11:52:14 AM by Yehuda57 »

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #48 on: May 07, 2024, 11:31:50 AM »
If he was truly scared, why the upset for being deplaned from a dangerous plane?
Because he wasn't deplaned due to a safety concern with the plane. The plane took off with no safety issue.

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #49 on: May 07, 2024, 11:33:29 AM »
If he was truly scared, why the upset for being deplaned from a dangerous plane?

Obvs voicing concern is fine, and what happened was truly unfair.

Point still stands abt following rules (fair or not)
Sorry scared is the wrong word. Bringing up a safety concern is not something which should be taught to not be reported and made sure was taken seriously. Shouldn't that be obvious?
« Last Edit: May 07, 2024, 11:36:59 AM by First Time CCer »

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #50 on: May 07, 2024, 11:38:21 AM »
@Dan you yet again did a phenomenal job thank you for being there for the klahl!

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2024, 12:01:05 PM »
@Dan you yet again did a phenomenal job thank you for being there for the klahl!
Appreciate that.
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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2024, 12:04:44 PM »
If anybody knows the bochur...Does he look intimidating? Like. Tall guy? Maybe he said it in an intimidating manner...Sometimes people will say something and LOOK intimidating when they are not. Pilot was clearly in a power trip here. The minor boy was for sure in the right, no question. AA needs to apologize to him at least.

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #53 on: May 07, 2024, 12:09:43 PM »
Can the ddf community get an under the table transcript of the phone call with AA :P

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #54 on: May 07, 2024, 12:11:04 PM »
I don't think anyone is actually worried about the supposed dent, and I get that that part of the story is besides the point. but the way that was handled was awful.

I'm no aviation expert by any stretch, but I've been watching a lot of Mentour Pilot crash videos on Youtube, and a couple of themes have come through related to this:

- Many people have a strong fear of flying, and many pilots have a strong desire to dispel such fears and make passengers as comfortable as possible.
- Many tragic results from airplane malfunctions have been prevented or could have been prevented thanks to warnings from passengers and cabin crew about things they had noticed.

This flight crew had a clearly anxious passenger. The passenger should absolutely feel comfortable letting the crew know about a concern. It can save lives. And in a case were it isn't actually a problem (like this seems to be), they have the opportunity to calm and reassure the passenger. And I'd wager had it been any other passenger, that's what would have happened. But as the pilot was clearly prejudiced, as evidenced by the subsequent behavior, instead of reassuring the passenger, they treated it as an affront/attack.

Such thin skinned behavior does not inspire confidence they could maintain a level headed attitude in a high pressure irregular operation.

Ithink that it does make sense to include something along these lines in the article. There does seem to have been prejudicial actions taken against BOTH passengers.
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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #55 on: May 07, 2024, 12:11:29 PM »
If anybody knows the bochur...Does he look intimidating? Like. Tall guy? Maybe he said it in an intimidating manner...Sometimes people will say something and LOOK intimidating when they are not. Pilot was clearly in a power trip here. The minor boy was for sure in the right, no question. AA needs to apologize to him at least.
Are we really concocting such ludicrous excuses? What happened to both of them is appalling.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2024, 12:15:14 PM »
Sorry scared is the wrong word. Bringing up a safety concern is not something which should be taught to not be reported and made sure was taken seriously. Shouldn't that be obvious?

Not just that, supposedly in aviation there’s specifically a culture around not penalizing people for bringing up potential issues.
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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2024, 12:15:50 PM »
Is there any chance to win a lawsuit without any video evidence?
I'm not a lawyer, but sworn affidavits are pretty strong.

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2024, 12:16:51 PM »
If anybody knows the bochur...Does he look intimidating? Like. Tall guy? Maybe he said it in an intimidating manner...Sometimes people will say something and LOOK intimidating when they are not. Pilot was clearly in a power trip here. The minor boy was for sure in the right, no question. AA needs to apologize to him at least.

Lol, everyone knows that flight school dedicates 3 days to most frightful of all possible aviation experiences, "how to handle terrifyingly anxious yeshiva kids".

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2024, 12:18:36 PM »
@Dan Do you know if/what compensation the second family is asking for? Or what the first one hopes to get?