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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #120 on: May 09, 2024, 08:05:25 AM »
No one goes on SNAP for themselves....they do it for Klal Yisrael

Oh, snap!

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #123 on: May 09, 2024, 09:07:05 AM »
https://forward.com/fast-forward/611389/orthodox-travelers-seeking-answers-after-american-airlines-removes-them-from-flight-without-explanation/
Good article, though I wrote to the author that I think he should have included the info on Roffman missing his original flight. The GA knew that, but they still got lumped together as if they were a single party.
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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #124 on: May 09, 2024, 10:41:22 AM »
Lots of wonderful jew loving comments in the various places the story was posted, though I didn't have a Tay-Sachs reference on my bingo card


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My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #125 on: May 09, 2024, 10:45:04 AM »
Lots of wonderful jew loving comments in the various places the story was posted, though I didn't have a Tay-Sachs reference on my bingo card


It's even funnier when you realize that Tay-Sachs basically doesn't exist anymore amongst "the Hasidim". Think this was the first time in a decade that I saw the words "Tay-Sachs" 

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #126 on: May 09, 2024, 10:53:14 AM »
It's even funnier when you realize that Tay-Sachs basically doesn't exist anymore amongst "the Hasidim". Think this was the first time in a decade that I saw the words "Tay-Sachs"

I just heard the term this past shabbos from someone who got married this year (i.e. he's done dor yesharim testing etc) and had no idea what it was and was asking about it.


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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #127 on: May 09, 2024, 11:20:12 AM »
Lots of wonderful jew loving comments in the various places the story was posted, though I didn't have a Tay-Sachs reference on my bingo card



How about having him as a Chassid?
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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #128 on: May 09, 2024, 11:22:05 AM »
It's even funnier when you realize that Tay-Sachs basically doesn't exist anymore amongst "the Hasidim". Think this was the first time in a decade that I saw the words "Tay-Sachs"

I'm not sure if Tay-Sachs still exists (I know someone just a couple of years older than me who lost a child to it), but other genetic diseases are unfortunately still there. There are cases where people forgo the testing for whatever reason.
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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #129 on: May 09, 2024, 11:27:21 AM »
I'm not sure if Tay-Sachs still exists (I know someone just a couple of years older than me who lost a child to it), but other genetic diseases are unfortunately still there. There are cases where people forgo the testing for whatever reason.
Exist more than in the general population?
(I understand that our risk of getting matched up to a carrier is greater, talking about outcomes)
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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #130 on: May 09, 2024, 12:09:16 PM »
How about having him as a Chassid?

That is a given

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #131 on: May 09, 2024, 12:26:58 PM »
Lots of wonderful jew loving comments in the various places the story was posted, though I didn't have a Tay-Sachs reference on my bingo card



The big story is the unrelated passenger being kicked off the plane for no apparent reason other than their apparence (no pun intended).
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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #132 on: May 09, 2024, 12:57:25 PM »
Lots of wonderful jew loving comments in the various places the story was posted, though I didn't have a Tay-Sachs reference on my bingo card


he should give in his resume to AA

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #133 on: May 09, 2024, 03:28:01 PM »
Good article, though I wrote to the author that I think he should have included the info on Roffman missing his original flight. The GA knew that, but they still got lumped together as if they were a single party.
On this point, I agree with the author.  I found myself lost in the details of R’s original flight and the long TSA lines and I had to backtrack several times to pick up the flow of the story. 

You included R's original flight as “proof” that the two boys should not have been treated as a single traveling party, but this is very weak evidence.  If, in fact, the boys had been involved in some nefarious plot, they could have planned to “accidentally” get on the same flight at the last minute.  Or they could have been good friends who bumped into each other in the airport and R changed flights so they could fly together.  R’s last-minute flight change is less relevant than the fact that the FA didn’t ask either R or S whether there is anyone else in their party before escorting S off the plane (at least based on the reported conversations).

These details distract the reader from the more important point:  Even if R had originally planned to be on this flight, and even if the boys did know each other from Cleveland, and even if they happened to be heading towards the same east coast yeshiva… the FA and pilot should not have removed S from the plane simply because they were annoyed with or suspicious of R.

When you start with a good argument, you don’t strengthen it by including a lot of weak evidence.

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #134 on: May 09, 2024, 03:31:02 PM »
These details distract the reader from the more important point:  Even if R had originally planned to be on this flight, and even if the boys did know each other from Cleveland, and even if they happened to be heading towards the same east coast yeshiva… the FA and pilot should not have removed S from the plane simply because they were annoyed with or suspicious of R.

IDK. If there's sufficient security concern to remove someone from a flight, I'd want anyone they're traveling with to be removed as well.
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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #135 on: May 09, 2024, 03:35:56 PM »
IDK. If there's sufficient security concern to remove someone from a flight, I'd want anyone they're traveling with to be removed as well.
Agreed, but as I understand it, there was no evidence that they were traveling together, and the FA didn't ask about that.  Even if they knew each other, or bought tickets for the same flight, that is not evidence that they're traveling together.

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #136 on: May 09, 2024, 03:36:27 PM »
IDK. If there's sufficient security concern to remove someone from a flight, I'd want anyone they're traveling with to be removed as well.
Correct, which is why parties traveling together are typically booted together with an offending passenger. Had they been traveling together, this entire story is a non-story, so I went to great lengths to ensure that was not the case.
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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #137 on: May 09, 2024, 03:40:57 PM »
IDK. If there's sufficient security concern to remove someone from a flight, I'd want anyone they're traveling with to be removed as well.

Only if they are travelling together in the same party, not just if they know each other.

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Re: My Brother just got kicked off AA for being jewish
« Reply #138 on: May 09, 2024, 04:00:23 PM »
Only if they are travelling together in the same party, not just if they know each other.

Sure, I was just addressing the limitations of the three “even” statements with the underlined “did” and “had”. We’re all in agreement.
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