The Rolls Must Be Hamotzi, But The Milk Can Be Cholov Stam

[LAXtraveler]

It's entirely possible that for the airline to switch caterers would be a very costly expense. 
UA's kosher caterer makes pretty bad food across the board, so C"Y isn't the only thing they cut back on.
Yet, CO manages to pay for a caterer that serves C"Y, has mezonos rolls, and has hashgocha from just about everyone.

Agreed, it would be expensive, and if CO's caterer has all you want, then argue for that to happen with the merger.

I don't think it is correct to say that OU is penny-pinching though by not requiring their meals to be chalav yisrael. My best guess would be that its not a requirement under OU hashgacha generally and that is their blanket policy. So whether the food is from Entenmann's or from UA's caterer it doesn't have to be chalav yisrael - whether some parts of the KSML community like that decision or not.

[dirah]

But they would it seems like, no?

That would depend on how MilMar is set up, I have no idea.
Anyways, you are right, for the airline to make the change, would be a costly headache.
Much less of a costly headache if Milmar made the change, at the direction of OU.

[dirah]

Who is UA's caterer?

KoshAir Cuisine is produced by MilMar.

[Dan]

So it seems from the US there's KoshAir/MilMar/Wilton that are non-CY.  And there's Regal/Borenstein/Weiss that are C"Y.

[LAXtraveler]

That would depend on how MilMar is set up, I have no idea.
Anyways, you are right, for the airline to make the change, would be a costly headache.
Much less of a costly headache if Milmar made the change, at the direction of OU.

But then you seem to be saying that OU needs to change their kashrus policy, which I don't think would bode over well for many (probably the majority) of kosher consumers in the USA.

[dirah]

But then you seem to be saying that OU needs to change their kashrus policy, which I don't think would bode over well for many (probably the majority) of kosher consumers in the USA.

Most Kosher consumers in the USA don't eat airline meals back home.
I imagine that a big supplier of airline meals like MilMar has an operation dedicated exclusively to airline meals, and that is the topic of discussion.

[LAXtraveler]

Most Kosher consumers in the USA don't eat airline meals back home.
I imagine that a big supplier of airline meals like MilMar has an operation dedicated exclusively to airline meals, and that is the topic of discussion.

Agreed. But like I said above, my guess would be that OU has a general policy and that policy allows chalav stam. I would assume that it applies across the board. If MilMar or any specific establishment would choose chalav yisrael I'm sure OU would be thrilled - but that perhaps should be taken up with MilMar.

Perhaps your issue is best taken up with them, and not the kashrus agency overseeing them.

[dirah]

So it seems from the US there's KoshAir/MilMar/Wilton that are non-CY.  And there's Regal/Borenstein/Weiss that are C"Y.

I don't have much experience with Kosher meals in CO , but, are you sure that Borenstein's is Cholov Yisroel?
According to some webpages out there, Regal is Cholov Yisroel, but the standard Borenstein Kosher meal is not.
For example, see here:
http://www.star-k.com/kashrus/kk-pie-sky.htm
And what does CO serve in economy, Regal or Borenstein's?

[steeeveknowsbest]

and he never let Cholov Stam enter his house.

without giving my opinion on the halachic issue, this "fact" is patently false, as R' Moshe did allow his family to eat Ch'S and keep it in the home, In addition it should be noted that R' Rueven Feinstein presently isn't makpid

[bubkiz]

In addition it should be noted that R' Rueven Feinstein presently isn't makpid

You saw him eating Haagen Daaz?  This "fact" may be on par with the quoted one unless you have personal knowledge otherwise.

[steeeveknowsbest]

He has publically and frequently said so himself,                                                                                  yet strangely i have never seen him diging into a tub of ice cream if thats what you would like to know, i cannot prove conclusively if this is true. but you can ask him or any talmid of staten island for that matter and they will tell you that it is true. i have several friends who have learnt there and they have told me this. i chose to beleive them, feel free not to

[Mocha]

without giving my opinion on the halachic issue, this "fact" is patently false, as R' Moshe did allow his family to eat Ch'S and keep it in the home, In addition it should be noted that R' Rueven Feinstein presently isn't makpid

Heard first hand a story that when Reb Moshe unknowingly was served Ch'S by his son-in-law, and when he was told he went to the bathroom and threw it up.

[Chaikel]

Heard first hand a story that when Reb Moshe unknowingly was served Ch'S by his son-in-law, and when he was told he went to the bathroom and threw it up.

That story was supposedly made up.

R' Reuven's grandson told me that he asked R' Reuven whether he should be makpid on CS, and he replied "I'm not frum enough to be makpid, you are for sure not"

[Mocha]

That story was supposedly made up.

  Heard it from 2 extremely reliable sources one of them a Tendler

[Chaikel]

  Heard it from 2 extremely reliable sources one of them a Tendler

Was told by a great grandson that it was totally not true, but I guess Lo Raeinu Ayno Rayeh. Definitely doesn't sound like something R' Moshe would do. It sounds as made up as that story with the kid getting hit by the car on R' Moshe's block.

[Side incomer]

Was told by a great grandson that it was totally not true, but I guess Lo Raeinu Ayno Rayeh. Definitely doesn't sound like something R' Moshe would do. It sounds as made up as that story with the kid getting hit by the car on R' Moshe's block.

If R' Moshe wrote that a ball nefesh should be machmir, I believe he meant himself as well.

[bubkiz]

Was told by a great grandson that it was totally not true, but I guess Lo Raeinu Ayno Rayeh. Definitely doesn't sound like something R' Moshe would do. It sounds as made up as that story with the kid getting hit by the car on R' Moshe's block.

Never heard that one. Care to elaborate?

[Dan]

Definitely doesn't sound like something R' Moshe would do.

Based on?
I just did it myself when I realized I was eating something that was always parve and became OU-D

[bubkiz]

Based on?
I just did it myself when I realized I was eating something that was always parve and became OU-D

Was it actual dairy or is Chabad makpid on dairy equipment as well?

[Dan]

Was it actual dairy or is Chabad makpid on dairy equipment as well?

Dunno, I just look at the packaging and it said OU-D.
But we are makpid on dairy equip as well.