I did read the whole thread but the majority before i learnt the sugya. Had the gemara not said clearly that "seeing" didn't always mean literally i would agree they aren't the same at all. But being that the gemara does make that distinction, i would seem clear to me (it's not a logical imperative, it's my opinion) that they are in fact equal. I obviously would simply be mevatel my personal opinion to that of the poskim, but after R' Moshe learns this way, i believe it is quite alright to say that his is the simple pshat and that the Shach is a rather mechudash pshat in the gemara.].
Once again you have missed the point iv'e been making; according to R' Moshe's derech halimud and psak, cholov stam is no big chidush.
I am not so sure that Reb Moshe himself felt it was so Poshut.
See YD 1:47 where he explains his שיטה that "ידיעה ברורה הוא כראיה ממש", and his proofs.
Of course if he says this, this is what he holds.
But I am not sure that his Teshuvah conveys that it is so "Poshut".
On a side point, I'm not sure if you are aware of it but many of your posts (especially those that are written in regard to halacha and hashkafa) are condescending,insulting, and overall arrogant. You certainly are much more learned than the majority of DDFers and i always enjoy your maareh makomos, but there is no call for the attitude. I'm sure your points would be better accepted if worded with the gentle ne'imus that is the way of Torah.
As I have said numerous times throughout this thread, my purpose is not to dissuade anyone from following Reb Moshe.
It is not necessary (and would also amount to nothing) for me to say that יש על מי לסמוך.
What does bother me, and many other people on the forums, is those who present Reb Moshe as עיקר הדין, and everyone else as חומרות והידורים that כלל ישראל shouldn't need to cater to. It is beyond certain that this was not Reb Moshe's intent.
That is how this thread started - the disregard that Kosher caterers have with regards to airline meals, and the passenger just has to accept it.
When I post, it is pretty clear that I do not mean anything personal against anyone, because I do not know a single person here by name - besides Reb Dan. So, if I get carried away in the heat of the moment, I don't see it as a problem. [Especially as there are many other heated exchanges on this forum - sometimes about complete
Narishkeit.] But if others here feel the same as you do and PM me, I can try to tone it down.