The Rolls Must Be Hamotzi, But The Milk Can Be Cholov Stam

[Dan]

I think most people in religious communities abroad drink only cholov yisroel, no?

Of course not.  But someone who knows the sugya and history is only fooling themself...the people that don't think the government should have their hand in anything due to mismanagement but rely on them for religions observance on something the government says they don't even watch out for is mind-boggling.

How do the agencies give hechshee approval on items unless their sure about the milk??

Beats me. Those that investigated found out that it's not something actively enforced, tested,  or penalized.

[sky121]

Of course not.  But someone who knows the sugya and history is only fooling themself...the people that don't think the government should have their hand in anything due to mismanagement but rely on them for religions observance on something the government says they don't even watch out for is mind-boggling.
Beats me. Those that investigated found out that it's not something actively enforced, tested,  or penalized.

It's quite interesting. Especially in a country like France that has a quite a bit of religous Jews. Not sure if things have changed but last I knew they only had boxed chalav yisroel milk.

Or even why they can't have a chalav stam milk WITH a hechsher is beyond me.

[lunatic]

OT rant, but the best is the folks that won't trust the government for anything, but for this they trust them.

Even though the agencies themselves admit they don't even enforce that it's only cow juice...so they trust what they don't even pretend to be protecting. Never mind that in every jewish community in 2014 you can get C"Y without causing any hardship, financial or otherwise...

Financial? I just bought CY ingredients for cheesecake.... costs close to 3 times as much as non-CY

[sky121]

Def.
I eat cholov stam. Certain things are WAY more expensive cholov yisroel such as milk, butter and ice cream. Cheese is pretty well priced.

[Dan]

A half gallon of POTF Ice Cream is $7.99.  How much cheaper can non-CY possibly be?

Triple the price seems like a massive exaggeration to me.

[sky121]

A half gallon of POTF Ice Cream is $7.99.  How much cheaper can non-CY possibly be?

Triple the price seems like a massive exaggeration to me.

I think it depends on the city you live in and what's available C"Y wise.
When there isn't a lot available and only one store selling C'Y hicking up the prices.....

I can buy a half gal of ice cream for as low $2.50 on sale ... To around $5.99

[dealfinder85]

I think it depends on the city you live in and what's available C"Y wise.
When there isn't a lot available and only one store selling C'Y hicking up the prices.....

I can buy a half gal of ice cream for as low $2.50 on sale ... To around $5.99

there are always sales at major chains where you can spend no more than $2.50

[Dan]

there are always sales at major chains where you can spend no more than $2.50

Well then I'll be happy to eat my words.
Either way, I don't think the $5 for Ice Cream is causing too many a hardship.  And luckily Costco sells cheap CY cheese.

What's the price spread for Milk?

[dealfinder85]

Well then I'll be happy to eat my words.
Either way, I don't think the $5 for Ice Cream is causing too many a hardship.  And luckily Costco sells cheap CY cheese.

What's the price spread for Milk?

not sure exactly, but last i checked, it isnt enough to be an excuse to have chalav stam

[Emkay]

Slightly on topic.
I sent a request yesterday about kosher diamond breakfast to hyatt in greece and this was the response. Does this mean its cholov stam or not neccesarally?

Dear emkay,

Regarding your below request we would like to inform you that we could provide dairy kosher style breakfast only.

Unfortunately we are not able to provide glad kosher breakfast and all our food items, are purchased from Greek market and not halav Israel food products.

We remain yours for any further inquiries you may need

Best Regards,

Olga Argyropoulou

Reservations Supervisor

HYATT REGENCY THESSALONIKI

[sky121]

not sure exactly, but last i checked, it isnt enough to be an excuse to have chalav stam

But it's enough that I won't buy CY unless I'm feeding someone who eats it.
Ice cream is a bad example really cuz it's not a basic. (And cuz non cy ice creams tatstes way better )
C"Y milk.  Half gal $5.99 (and it doesn't last as long though that's prob the markets fault)
Non CY milk half gal $1.99


When I lived in Baltimore I ate CY a lot more. Better prices and better products.

[dealfinder85]

But it's enough that I won't buy CY unless I'm feeding someone who eats it.
Ice cream is a bad example really cuz it's not a basic. (And cuz non cy ice creams tatstes way better )
C"Y milk.  Half gal $5.99 (and it doesn't last as long though that's prob the markets fault)
Non CY milk half gal $1.99

we shop in different places
i have probably seen half that price

[lunatic]

Well then I'll be happy to eat my words.
Either way, I don't think the $5 for Ice Cream is causing too many a hardship.  And luckily Costco sells cheap CY cheese.

What's the price spread for Milk?

Cs is about 65 percent of Cy. And that is in Baltimore... Where the community is large.
And Cs is even cheaper if you go to Costco or BJ's

[Joe4007]

Half gal $5.99 (and it doesn't last as long though that's prob the markets fault)
Non CY milk half gal $1.99

In NY the CY is more in the $3 range (or even lower).

[notanonymous]

But it's enough that I won't buy CY unless I'm feeding someone who eats it.
Ice cream is a bad example really cuz it's not a basic. (And cuz non cy ice creams tatstes way better )
C"Y milk.  Half gal $5.99 (and it doesn't last as long though that's prob the markets fault)
Non CY milk half gal $1.99


When I lived in Baltimore I ate CY a lot more. Better prices and better products.

When I lived OOT, I would pay $5.99 for 1/2 gal and $10.99 for a gallon if milk.  American cheese was $28.99 for a brick (108 slices?).  Frozen pizza was $18.99.
And this was 6+ years ago.

[Dan]

Cs is about 65 percent of Cy. And that is in Baltimore... Where the community is large.
And Cs is even cheaper if you go to Costco or BJ's

Either way the tens of dollars over the course of a year aren't a "hardship" for 95% of folks...these aren't the days of having to go out to the farm to milk a cow yourself or pay someone to do it for you personally.

[Dan]

When I lived OOT, I would pay $5.99 for 1/2 gal and $10.99 for a gallon if milk.  American cheese was $28.99 for a brick (108 slices?).  Frozen pizza was $18.99.
And this was 6+ years ago.

Costco sells all kinds of CY cheese of under $5/pound in almost all OOT communities.  And cheap Pizza and pizza bagels as well if that's your thing.

[sky121]

we shop in different places
i have probably seen half that price

Like I said, it all depends where you live and what's available.

[YankyDoodle]

When I lived OOT, I would pay $5.99 for 1/2 gal and $10.99 for a gallon if milk.  American cheese was $28.99 for a brick (108 slices?).  Frozen pizza was $18.99.
And this was 6+ years ago.

It hasn't gone up since then due to inflation, it's gone down due to increased supply.

[henche]

OT rant, but the best is the folks that won't trust the government for anything, but for this they trust them.

Even though the agencies themselves admit they don't even enforce that it's only cow juice...so they trust what they don't even pretend to be protecting. Never mind that in every jewish community in 2014 you can get C"Y without causing any hardship, financial or otherwise...

They put vaccines in the milk.