Horrific Mental Health Related Tragedy In Lakewood

[pointer]

Per the affidavit, the husbands is 26. Can’t trust the news. The are probably trying to add more drama to this horror.

[yuneeq]

I saw somewhere placing him at 40 but it could be wrong

Another news report has him at 26 years old, I wouldn’t trust their report that he was away for a month

[notyettaken]

Full report of her previous episodes or of this incident? Psych ward is usually a temporary measure until whatever episode is happening is deemed under control. The US phased out most long term psychiatric hospitals a long time ago. It is a huge problem that there is no where for people who need constant care and supervision to be placed.

This is the result of the system being abused in the other direction, by locking people up for no reason. The psych industry has a lot of very nasty skeletons in their closet (frontal lobotomies being a particularly famous one but there are many others) and as a result is heavily regulated.

[avromie7]

If there is one thing I would urge the community to change, its to remove the stigma of reporting to CPS. I'm aware of more than one mandated reporter who lost their job or was asked to leave after reporting.

This woman should not have had custody.

If patients know they will lose their kids if they talk openly and truthfully with a professional, how many will refuse treatment and/or refuse to open up about their biggest issues?

[notyettaken]

That's infanticide data, not specifically infanticide due to psychosis

first of all, so what?

second, it cites many other papers and discusses many causes including psychosis.

[yuneeq]

first of all, so what?

second, it cites many other papers and discusses many causes including psychosis.

It certainly sounded like you were arguing with the post you replied to. Second, I already said that in my post.

[notyettaken]

It certainly sounded like you were arguing with the post you replied to. Second, I already said that in my post.

I wasn't arguing, they were asking for numbers and that article had them. I put in my post the overall number, but it breaks them down further in the article based on cause and age. (not a fun read and I only skimmed a bit  )

[TheAsh]

If patients know they will lose their kids if they talk openly and truthfully with a professional, how many will refuse treatment and/or refuse to open up about their biggest issues?

They know that already. Or they should. It's called mandated reporting and it's the law.

Safety always trumps rapport.

[S209]

They know that already. Or they should. It's called mandated reporting and it's the law.

Safety always trumps rapport.

You’re missing his point. If seeking help will result in kids being taken away, many will just opt not to seek help.

[S209]

Her saying she did it for religious reasons (like Andrea Yates and other similar stories) is not going to look pretty for the Jewish community when the national media picks this up. This may be worse than the tunnels “story”.

[Randomex]

Her saying she did it for religious reasons (like Andrea Yates and other similar stories) is not going to look pretty for the Jewish community when the national media picks this up. This may be worse than the tunnels “story”.

If someone says they did something for religious reasons, we can look at whether their co-religionists
behave in a similar manner to get a good idea of whether their claim is truthful. For example, you say
you only eat kosher for religious reasons; is that a thing religious Jews are known to do?

[gogreen]

I'm pretty sure he was away since June 24 not May 24.

May 24 comes from the police affidavit, but from the context it's pretty clear it should have said June 24. Don't know if that's the officer's error or hers.

Not even close. I'd be shocked of he's much over 30, if even that old.

According to the affidavit he's 26.

[Euclid]

May 24 comes from the police affidavit, but from the context it's pretty clear it should have said June 24. Don't know if that's the officer's error or hers.
According to the affidavit he's 26.

Also, May 24th is a Friday. Highly unlikely he travelled to Virginia for business on a Friday.

[TheAsh]

You’re missing his point. If seeking help will result in kids being taken away, many will just opt not to seek help.

You are.missing my point. For better or worse the law is the way it is right now. So those who are concerned already.wont seek help. We may as well follow.the law.

[dealmaster]

You are.missing my point. For better or worse the law is the way it is right now. So those who are concerned already.wont seek help. We may as well follow.the law.

I don't know if you're right or wrong about your main point, That's for people that are smarter than me to decide. I do know that to follow secular law just because it is the law in regards to moral and religious decisions is dangerous and stupid. Speak to any EMT about how many ridiculous laws there are, which were written because of pettiness and politics, that literally prevents the saving of lives. Think about it, politicians who are not known for their great moral values, wrote secular law, is that who you want to rely on?

[S209]

If someone says they did something for religious reasons, we can look at whether their co-religionists
behave in a similar manner to get a good idea of whether their claim is truthful. For example, you say
you only eat kosher for religious reasons; is that a thing religious Jews are known to do?

Are you trying to explain to me that it’s not a Jewish thing to do? I’m talking about antisemitic conspiracy theorists. Not known for their rationality.

[TheAsh]

I don't know if you're right or wrong about your main point, That's for people that are smarter than me to decide. I do know that to follow secular law just because it is the law in regards to moral and religious decisions is dangerous and stupid. Speak to any EMT about how many ridiculous laws there are, which were written because of pettiness and politics, that literally prevents the saving of lives. Think about it, politicians who are not known for their great moral values, wrote secular law, is that who you want to rely on?

That's not what I am saying. Obviously not. I do think CPS saves lives and the mandated reporter laws do more good than harm. That doesn't mean the system is perfect or even works well. It just means that when there is serious concern for someone having custody CPS should be called. In this case for example.

[avromie7]

That's not what I am saying. Obviously not. I do think CPS saves lives and the mandated reporter laws do more good than harm. That doesn't mean the system is perfect or even works well. It just means that when there is serious concern for someone having custody CPS should be called. In this case for example.

Even if true overall, that doesn't make it the right thing to do. CPS is well known to ruin lives, you can't put people through that because of statistics.

[S209]

You are.missing my point. For better or worse the law is the way it is right now. So those who are concerned already.wont seek help. We may as well follow.the law.

You said safety trumps support. That’s not necessarily true, if support also increases safety and won’t be available under other circumstances.

There’s the law, and there’s what happens, like you said up thread.

[Young explorer]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/099B3cj9m0XKQEAO7NBuFB?si=MEKcs6-tRFal3OoJGiMFdQ

https://youtu.be/F-d6NmJNzLw?si=JlGfh889472AbRkR