Horrific Mental Health Related Tragedy In Lakewood

[yfr bachur]

A judge ruled that the Lakewood mother is not-guilty by reason of insanity, and remanded to a psychiatric facility.

Is there any difference other than place of incarceration? She still got two life terms

[avromie7]

Is there any difference other than place of incarceration? She still got two life terms

She can be released when she is no longer a threat to herself or others.

[yawn]

Is there any difference other than place of incarceration? She still got two life terms

Somewhat ambiguous, but the APP article seemed to imply that if she is found to be no longer a threat to herself or others, she can be released. Not 100% certain if that means to prison, or to freedom.
Also, prison is filled with murderers, gang members, and all kinds of dangerous people. Psych wards are not.

[aygart]

This seems pretty much expected to me.

[whacked1]

The bigger question is if, considering what seems to be a long history of issues, she should have had children in the first place.

I know someone that was just placed in a facility for long term treatments. Her and her husband have history with mental health. Who should be telling them they should not have any more children? (They already have a bunch, I believe the children are under the care of a grandparent).

[YitzyS]

Is there any difference other than place of incarceration? She still got two life terms

I know this may be just a triviality in the big picture, but I think this is major in terms of public perception of Lakewood. The entire state was talking about this Lakewood mother. When a judge rules that it's insanity, it sort of 'exonerates' our community in the public eye. Mental health issues exist everywhere, and is not a black stain on a community.

I don't need it, but to combat the callers on the NJ radio stations who love to bash Lakewood, this ruling helps.

[Euclid]

I know this may be just a triviality in the big picture, but I think this is major in terms of public perception of Lakewood. The entire state was talking about this Lakewood mother. When a judge rules that it's insanity, it sort of 'exonerates' our community in the public eye. Mental health issues exist everywhere, and is not a black stain on a community.

I don't need it, but to combat the callers on the NJ radio stations who love to bash Lakewood, this ruling helps.

Haha are you kidding? They're now saying things like:

- jury of her peers, probably of her people
- so she gets to walk out when her doctor decides like in 6 months
- they're all insane
- I should change religions to get the same privilege (of no jail)
- penguins win again

Check them out here
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=684657020758133&id=100076415234547

[avromie7]

Haha are you kidding? They're now saying things like:

- jury of her peers, probably of her people
- so she gets to walk out when her doctor decides like in 6 months
- they're all insane
- I should change religions to get the same privilege (of no jail)
- penguins win again

Check them out here
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=684657020758133&id=100076415234547

It would have helped if the news story said she got 2 life sentences in phsyc.

[Just A Jew]

Also, prison is filled with murderers, gang members, and all kinds of dangerous people. Psych wards are not.

This isn't true.

[YitzyS]

- jury of her peers, probably of her people

It was a bench trial, not a jury trial.

Also, I tend to believe that online commenters are the lowest of the low and not reflective of the masses, while radio callers reflect a much wider range of people.

[Just A Jew]

Also, I tend to believe that online commenters are the lowest of the low

No, please, tell us how you really feel about all of us...

[dasmo801]

Just wondering on the legal side, what was the need for a trial? It seems that the state did not present any witnesses and the sole witness was a defense expert psychiatrist. It seems that there were no questions of fact that needed to be debated. Is there no mechanism that allows for a guilty but insane plea, leaving the only option to plead not guilty and go to trial so a judge can make the determination of not guilty by reason of insanity?

[Euclid]

It was a bench trial, not a jury trial.

Also, I tend to believe that online commenters are the lowest of the low and not reflective of the masses, while radio callers reflect a much wider range of people.

There are people born after 1980 that call the radio these days?

[yawn]

This isn't true.

Also, prison is filled with non sedated murderers, gang members, and all kinds of dangerous people. Psych wards are not.

FTFY

[mevinyavin]

No, please, tell us how you really feel about all of us...

@YitzyS feels that DDF is this curated version of the internet (and NOT social media), and therefore, we don't qualify as online commentators.

[Alexsei]

@YitzyS feels that DDF is this curated version of the internet (and NOT social media), and therefore, we don't qualify as online commentators.

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=134004.new;topicseen#new

[mevinyavin]

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=134004.new;topicseen#new

Yup, that's what I was referring to. Thank you for finding it.