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Re: Horrific Tragedy In Lakewood
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2024, 08:23:02 PM »
Awareness is for things that happen, things like this simply don't happen. I'm not aware of anything like this ever happening before, and it's not because it's swept under the rug.
Didn’t a guy kill his parents this year?
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Re: Horrific Tragedy In Lakewood
« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2024, 08:34:26 PM »
Just putting out there that there is an excellent organization in Lakewood called Yad Rachel, which pays for therapy and professional help for women who think they need help.

I know more than one person who has benefited from their help. And no, not 'crazy' people with serious diagnoses, just normal people who were concerned about controlling themselves in stressful situations.

https://yadrachelnj.org/

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Re: Horrific Tragedy In Lakewood
« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2024, 09:07:13 PM »
Just putting out there that there is an excellent organization in Lakewood called Yad Rachel, which pays for therapy and professional help for women who think they need help.

I know more than one person who has benefited from their help. And no, not 'crazy' people with serious diagnoses, just normal people who were concerned about controlling themselves in stressful situations.

https://yadrachelnj.org/
Isn’t it just for post partum?
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Re: Horrific Tragedy In Lakewood
« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2024, 09:35:51 PM »
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/2293149/ywn-editorial-the-tragic-hypocrisy-of-mental-health-awareness-in-our-community.html

There is a point that makes that I have heard from family members in the mental health "industry". Awareness is great but access is a major problem. Most frum practitioners do not take any insurance. Lower and middle income households are effectively priced out of decent care. No one is refused quality cancer treatment because of inability to afford it. For some reason, mental health care is treated differently.

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Re: Horrific Tragedy In Lakewood
« Reply #46 on: June 26, 2024, 09:43:43 PM »
Didn’t a guy kill his parents this year?
Horrific and rare in its own right, but an adult killing an adult is not in the same league as an adult killing her own children.
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« Reply #47 on: June 26, 2024, 09:51:19 PM »
Horrific and rare in its own right, but an adult killing an adult is not in the same league as an adult killing her own children.
True. I meant psychotic episodes with tragic results are not totally unheard of (Levi Aaron as well) but yes they are definitely quite rare. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear it’s far less prevalent than the general population but I have no data on that.
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Re: Horrific Tragedy In Lakewood
« Reply #48 on: June 26, 2024, 09:55:16 PM »
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/2293149/ywn-editorial-the-tragic-hypocrisy-of-mental-health-awareness-in-our-community.html
Eh. High profile suicides are always followed by higher rates of suicide. It’s best to keep it hushed up to prevent copycats.
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Re: Horrific Tragedy In Lakewood
« Reply #49 on: June 26, 2024, 10:08:29 PM »
There is a point that makes that I have heard from family members in the mental health "industry". Awareness is great but access is a major problem. Most frum practitioners do not take any insurance. Lower and middle income households are effectively priced out of decent care. No one is refused quality cancer treatment because of inability to afford it. For some reason, mental health care is treated differently.
This woman was seeing a top psychiatrist. Nothing to do with access.

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Re: Horrific Tragedy In Lakewood
« Reply #50 on: June 26, 2024, 10:10:46 PM »
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This holier than thou attitude coming from someone who's made a parnassa for the past 20 years exploiting human curiosity.

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Re: Horrific Tragedy In Lakewood
« Reply #51 on: June 26, 2024, 10:11:18 PM »
This holier than thou attitude coming from someone who's made a parnassa for the past 20 years exploiting human curiosity.
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Re: Horrific Tragedy In Lakewood
« Reply #52 on: June 26, 2024, 10:12:52 PM »
Most frum practitioners do not take any insurance. Lower and middle income households are effectively priced out of decent care.

this is THE main issue. the bottleneck is not with awareness but to actually get help.
(although it may not have been the issue here i don't know details.)

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Re: Horrific Tragedy In Lakewood
« Reply #54 on: June 26, 2024, 11:14:01 PM »
This woman was seeing a top psychiatrist. Nothing to do with access.
This! We don't know that any of the issues regarding any kind of mental health is relevant here. Maybe no one made any mistakes. Maybe she was getting great help and support and meds. And it happened! This is a horrific tragedy on many different levels, but why is everyone so busy trying to blame this, that, and the other?!


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Re: Horrific Tragedy In Lakewood
« Reply #55 on: June 26, 2024, 11:16:56 PM »
This! We don't know that any of the issues regarding any kind of mental health is relevant here. Maybe no one made any mistakes. Maybe she was getting great help and support and meds. And it happened! This is a horrific tragedy on many different levels, but why is everyone so busy trying to blame this, that, and the other?!


Humans love to assign blame when bad things happen.
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Re: Horrific Tragedy In Lakewood
« Reply #56 on: June 26, 2024, 11:22:18 PM »
Humans love to assign blame when bad things happen.
True, but there are family and friends involved who presumably did the best they could and it is adding unnecessary pain to their tzarah! The amount of effort involved in caring for a mentally ill family member is beyond belief-the time, the effort, the inquiries, the shailos. Do people really think responsible people are hefker with their family's lives? Have a little rachmanus, people!
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Re: Horrific Tragedy In Lakewood
« Reply #57 on: June 26, 2024, 11:30:27 PM »
There is a point that makes that I have heard from family members in the mental health "industry". Awareness is great but access is a major problem. Most frum practitioners do not take any insurance. Lower and middle income households are effectively priced out of decent care. No one is refused quality cancer treatment because of inability to afford it. For some reason, mental health care is treated differently.
I know nothing at all of the ins and outs of this case but have been involved in a number of various cases over the years. In general, it is this, this, this, and this.

Psychiatric care and Cancer Care are very different when it comes to how insurance will cover them and how one may be able to get single case agreements when a doctor is not participating in the plan. Even if a cancer patient doesn't have insurance that will cover what is needed, they will almost always be able to wiggle into getting one that is not the case with psychiatric care.
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Re: Horrific Tragedy In Lakewood
« Reply #58 on: June 26, 2024, 11:31:49 PM »
Awareness is for things that happen, things like this simply don't happen. I'm not aware of anything like this ever happening before, and it's not because it's swept under the rug.
It is rare but something that over the long term may be expected to happen every x number of cases. This is the same psychiatric case just taken to an extreme
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Re: Horrific Tragedy In Lakewood
« Reply #59 on: June 26, 2024, 11:33:05 PM »
Humans love to assign blame when bad things happen.
It's so bizzare and beyond the pale that the only answer is that it was a gezairah min hashomayim.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.