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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #160 on: August 21, 2024, 03:24:56 PM »
It is fair when you say they don't stand for the right things (your views), or you feel their policies have been disastrous.

It is not fair when you say the substance in actions have been proven differently. His policies were targeted for the lower and middle class. Those that need to most help. ACA which you might not agree with helped tens of millions.

I think it would be fair to say that I know a little more about ACA, since it affected my business and I actually made money due to it. The point is that it passed by using lies ("if you like your plan" "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor) and bribery (to get enough support in the Senate). It did not do anything to address spiraling healthcare costs or quality of care.
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #161 on: August 21, 2024, 03:30:11 PM »
It did not do anything to address spiraling healthcare costs or quality of care.
It insured millions that didn't have insurance. That was the goal.
I don't know about you personally, but the country is better off because of it.
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #162 on: August 21, 2024, 04:12:03 PM »
Donald Trump knew exactly what he was doing in Michigan
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-knew-exactly-what-he-was-doing-in-michigan/ar-AA1paDC8?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=32a0759fc44248d88f031c4b0e26e761&ei=52

The city has worked hard to shake that association with hate movements, a project that was damaged last month during a previous Trump visit to Michigan. Though the campaign rally held that day was across the state in Grand Rapids, a small group of masked white supremacists marched through downtown Howell chanting “Heil Hitler.” Later that day, another demonstration was held on a highway overpass, featuring a swastika flag and people chanting, “We love Hitler. We love Trump.”

I want to stress that this was only a dozen or so racists and that the city’s officials don’t support the hatefulness that was displayed. “Although we recognize their right to free speech, these demonstrators do not reflect the values of the Howell community,” the city said in a statement at the time. But it’s not a stretch to say that the men who gathered that day knew the significance of the location they’d picked.
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #163 on: August 21, 2024, 04:26:01 PM »
Was this Howell Michigan or New Jersey?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #164 on: August 21, 2024, 04:38:25 PM »
Trump also spoke on Tuesday at the Livingston County Sheriff's Office in Howell, Michigan, where he said Harris will "deliver crime, chaos, destruction, and death," and went on to say that if she becomes president, there will be "levels of crime that you've never seen before."

"deliver crime, chaos, destruction, and death," - AKA 1/6
"levels of crime that you've never seen before." - AKA 2019 under Trump
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #166 on: August 21, 2024, 04:48:27 PM »
Trump also spoke on Tuesday at the Livingston County Sheriff's Office in Howell, Michigan, where he said Harris will "deliver crime, chaos, destruction, and death," and went on to say that if she becomes president, there will be "levels of crime that you've never seen before."

"deliver crime, chaos, destruction, and death," - AKA 1/6
"levels of crime that you've never seen before." - AKA 2019 under Trump
Does 1/6 make Americans feel unsafe?
The 'peaceful' demonstrations make many feel unsafe.
Trump is talking to Americans not to the media.

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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #167 on: August 21, 2024, 05:10:56 PM »
Trump is talking to Americans not to the media.
Do these so-called Americans know that murders had the biggest one year increase ever under Trump?
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #168 on: August 21, 2024, 05:13:29 PM »
It insured millions that didn't have insurance. That was the goal.
I don't know about you personally, but the country is better off because of it.

Who needs insurance?

People need access to quality healthcare.

I am unfamiliar with the situation outside of NYC, but I can tell you that it didn't improve access and it raised costs.

Did you notice the birth and proliferation of Urgent Care centers? That is a direct outcome of Obamacare. People opening those up are making money.
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #169 on: August 21, 2024, 05:20:47 PM »
Who needs insurance?
The millions without it (45mm). I am guessing you mean something else?
People need access to quality healthcare.
We have it.
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #170 on: August 21, 2024, 06:06:51 PM »
This is what happens when you confront a bully/coward. He runs away!!!

Trump pulls out of interview after paper questions his dubious claims about crime rate
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-pulls-out-of-interview-after-paper-questions-his-dubious-claims-about-crime-rate/ar-AA1pcFdy?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=78be30a6e11047358d9bb09d4ad52e71&ei=62
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #171 on: August 21, 2024, 06:51:31 PM »
The millions without it (45mm).

I have news for you. I sell insurance, and I can tell you that nobody needs insurance!!! People get insurance because of what they hope it will deliver when needed.

I am guessing you mean something else?

access to quality healthcare.

I hope you do realize that most people do not have access to the kinds of plans and coverage that you have. And for many the ACA cut out access to such plans.

We have it.

"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor".

Was this a lie?
Many believe it was. I don't know whether it was a malicious lie or a stupid lack of analysis. The bottom line is that many people didn't get to keep their plans (either because they were discontinued, cost became prohibitively high, or insurers went out of business), and many doctors refuse to accept new plans.

What is mostly called health insurance, is a product that is largely a prepaid medical scheme mixed with insurance (though more and more we see actual insurance plans, with deductibles and co-pays running sky high - something Americans were previously unaccustomed to, and which might be a good thing, if EVERYONE was allowed to take advantage of some form of HSA - regardless of the plan they get).
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #172 on: August 21, 2024, 06:55:59 PM »
I have news for you. I sell insurance, and I can tell you that nobody needs insurance!!!
No I have insurance because I need it.
Please explain why I don't need it.
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #173 on: August 21, 2024, 08:48:21 PM »
When they tell you who he is believe them!

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Re: Best of Trump
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #175 on: August 22, 2024, 12:00:37 AM »

I give the guy credit for being one of the best conman ever.  ;)
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #176 on: August 22, 2024, 12:29:18 AM »
I give the guy credit for being one of the best conman ever.  ;)
What gives you the backing to say that every time Trump does something that appears to be good, but not every time Biden does something that appears good?

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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #177 on: August 22, 2024, 12:34:00 AM »
What gives you the backing to say that every time Trump does something that appears to be good, but not every time Biden does something that appears good?
You look at the character of the person. Something most on this forum completely ignore.

A shocked John Kelly told Trump 'those are the heroes' after the president said having wounded veterans in a military parade 'doesn't look good'.
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #178 on: August 22, 2024, 12:55:14 AM »
You look at the character of the person. Something most on this forum completely ignore.

As someone who doesn't have any expectations for honesty or truth from politicians, I would say they all have flawed characters. So it just boils down to the lesser of two evils. Character isn't a primary measure for this (aka pick your poison).
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #179 on: August 22, 2024, 07:42:23 AM »
I would say they all have flawed characters.
Of course you would say that especially when the flaws of the one you support are on a different planet than all the rest.
Anytime you look for a leader, character should be at the top of the list.

I wonder if you would say all religious leaders are child molesters because some are. Something to "ponder".
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