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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #440 on: September 22, 2024, 01:46:32 AM »
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #441 on: September 22, 2024, 09:04:08 AM »
Trump is "weaponizing antisemitism" to win Jewish voters. Can it work?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-is-weaponizing-antisemitism-to-win-jewish-voters-can-it-work/ar-AA1qZ7WO?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=6a5fc5dbcda34efa997f1e68c09b237b&ei=31


Yes, I am looking at you.

While some laugh off Trump's words, they should think of "the bells it could set off, making them a sobering threat. Do we want to call that antisemitism, so be it. It is far more hateful to Jews, much more real and potent and disgusting than 'Free Palestine!' He may be cynical in using them, but his slavish followers are not."
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #442 on: September 22, 2024, 09:18:12 AM »
Trump is "weaponizing antisemitism" to win Jewish voters. Can it work?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-is-weaponizing-antisemitism-to-win-jewish-voters-can-it-work/ar-AA1qZ7WO?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=6a5fc5dbcda34efa997f1e68c09b237b&ei=31


Yes, I am looking at you.

While some laugh off Trump's words, they should think of "the bells it could set off, making them a sobering threat. Do we want to call that antisemitism, so be it. It is far more hateful to Jews, much more real and potent and disgusting than 'Free Palestine!' He may be cynical in using them, but his slavish followers are not."
Antisemitism isn't my number one issue. (And it isn't abortion either)
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #443 on: September 22, 2024, 09:21:26 AM »
You don't see a connection between antisemitism and our ability to practice Torah and mitzvahs?  Where have you been for the past century?

I thought about this over shabbos and realized you're right, the more antisemitism becomes an issue the more a civilized government is afraid to target religion and be name called antisemitic = win for practicing jews
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #444 on: September 22, 2024, 09:48:56 AM »
I thought about this over shabbos and realized you're right, the more antisemitism becomes an issue the more a civilized government is afraid to target religion and be name called antisemitic = win for practicing jews

Until antisemitism becomes standard for the government too CV. Did you think about that?

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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #445 on: September 22, 2024, 09:54:54 AM »
Trump is "weaponizing antisemitism" to win Jewish voters. Can it work?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-is-weaponizing-antisemitism-to-win-jewish-voters-can-it-work/ar-AA1qZ7WO?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=6a5fc5dbcda34efa997f1e68c09b237b&ei=31


Yes, I am looking at you.

While some laugh off Trump's words, they should think of "the bells it could set off, making them a sobering threat. Do we want to call that antisemitism, so be it. It is far more hateful to Jews, much more real and potent and disgusting than 'Free Palestine!' He may be cynical in using them, but his slavish followers are not."

This article looks interesting from the headline "Donald Trump's genius strategy to protect Jews, scapegoat them". Can't open it though. Mind (or anyone) to copy paste it here?

https://forward.com/opinion/656637/miriam-adelson-donald-trump-jewish-voters/

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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #446 on: September 22, 2024, 09:58:00 AM »
Until antisemitism becomes standard for the government too CV. Did you think about that?
We're much more used to that then we are to liberalism @ExGingi
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #447 on: September 22, 2024, 10:07:42 AM »
This article looks interesting from the headline "Donald Trump's genius strategy to protect Jews, scapegoat them". Can't open it though. Mind (or anyone) to copy paste it here?

https://forward.com/opinion/656637/miriam-adelson-donald-trump-jewish-voters/
I’ve got just one small question: Did someone tell former President Donald Trump that the whole point of an antisemitism conference is to reduce antisemitism?

Dr. Miriam Adelson, who gave $100 million to Trump’s presidential campaign, convened the “Fighting Antisemitism in America” conference on Capitol Hill on Thursday, handing former President Donald Trump an easy political layup: Show up, express concern, explain your plan.

What Trump did instead was take the ball, pop it, and blow raspberries at the people in the stands.

“If I don’t win this election,” Trump said at the event, “the Jewish people would have a lot to do with that.”

He’s wrong, of course. Statistically, there just aren’t enough Jews in the swing states to move the election needle.

But Trump might have moved the needle in another way: By putting Jews even more centrally in the crosshairs of every conspiracy theorist in America.

“Preemptively blaming American Jews for your potential election loss does zero to help American Jews,” wrote Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of the Anti-Defamation League. “The speech will likely spark more hostility and further inflame an already bad situation.”

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I’m among a (dwindling) number of Trump critics who don’t believe he is genuinely antisemitic — he likes Jews as much as he can like anybody who isn’t himself. But at some point, what difference does it make?

When he says Jews who vote for Democrats “need their head examined,” he’s demonizing 70% of American Jews. (At the Thursday event he also claimed to be getting 40% of the Jewish vote. If that happens, I’ll eat my pet.)

When he constantly invokes the idea that Jews have a dual loyalty to Israel, he’s echoing one of history’s most durable antisemitic tropes.

When he dines with vicious antisemites like Nick Fuentes and then claims ignorance of their bigoted views, he’s giving hate a presidential seal of approval.

When he said he “wouldn’t be surprised” if a Jewish financier, George Soros, is funding a flood of illegal immigrants into America, he’s helping fuel longstanding conspiracy theories that suggest Jews are working to replace white Christians.

When supporters of his campaign fund a shadowy campaign in Michigan to highlight the fact that Vice President Kamala Harris’ husband is a Jewish supporter of Israel, in order to win a few Muslim votes in a tight race, they’re working to destroy Muslim Jewish relations. There’s been no disavowal of the ad, so far, from the Trump campaign.

Trump denies the antisemitism in all of this. But that is also part of his rhetorical genius – call it, to appropriate another Trump term, his antisemitic “weave.” He puts out messages that are clearly designed to denigrate the people who don’t support him and placate the most extreme groups that do, and then, when pressed, plays innocent.

There’s another term for this. Dog whistles.

“There are fine people on both sides,” which Trump said during the racist, antisemitic 2017 march in Charlottesville, Virginia, is the ur-example of this, so famous it came up in his debate with Harris. Trump loves to say it’s a quote taken out of context. I’ve read the transcript at least a dozen times, and it’s true: He said it, and he also said more, that I suppose someone might read as potentially changing the statement’s meaning — I don’t. You say potato, I say Jew-hatred.

Adelson deeply cares about Israel and Jews. I don’t blame her or the people who attended or spoke at the conference for Trump’s shocking targeting of American Jews. Judaism is a big tent, generous enough to handle people of all backgrounds and political persuasions.

But what good is having a voice if you don’t use it?

I am hoping Adelson understands the damage Trump’s words at her conference have already caused, and that they could lead to in the future. Her candidate of choice could have spent his time on stage outlining a thoughtful plan to combat antisemitism, as detailed as the one the Biden administration developed. (He could also have explained why, if he were so good on this issue, antisemitism skyrocketed during his administration).

Instead he blew his most damaging dog whistle yet. Why? Because the race is close, and he will do anything to win it — up to invoking one of antisemitism’s most vicious tropes, that it is the Jews who always stab society in the back.

Somebody did in fact get stabbed in the back Thursday night. Except it was the victim who was Jewish, not the perpetrator. And she paid $100 million for the privilege.

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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #448 on: September 22, 2024, 10:26:19 AM »
https://townhall.com/columnists/avrohom-gordimer/2024/09/07/not-just-israel-the-orthodox-jewish-communitys-support-for-trump-and-the-gop-n2644343

Leading up to the 2020 election, surveys revealed that then-President Trump had the support of an astronomical 89 percent of the US Orthodox Jewish community. Indications are that Biden-Harris policies and current events have only increased the percentage of Orthodox voters who will support him this November.

One could be forgiven for believing that the current conflict in the Middle East has turned pro-Israel Americans into one-issue voters. Orthodox Jewish support for President Trump, however, has much deeper roots, and this has profound ramifications for future candidates and the fight to restore American values.

President Trump and others frequently attribute his wild popularity in the Orthodox Jewish community to his policies regarding the State of Israel — moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, recognizing Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights, pulling out of the suicidal nuclear deal with Iran, supporting the Israeli war on terror/right to total self-defense, the Abraham Accords, and more. It is undoubtedly true that, like many others in the Jewish community, Orthodox recognize and are immensely grateful for all of these.

Other significant factors, however, are possibly being overlooked. If one would ask the average Orthodox Jew why he supports President Trump, while his answer would certainly include Trump’s support for the State of Israel, it would extend much further. Most Orthodox would give similar answers to mainstream Republicans: they seek an America that has safe streets, a secure Southern border, a robust economy, strong international standing, and, of course, an America that is based on what are commonly referred to as traditional faith and family values.

The Orthodox Jewish community is among the most politically conservative groups in the US. Although one would expect that any sane person would support the rule of law, economic prosperity, high moral standards, and all that has historically been part of the formula for achieving “the American Dream,” for the Orthodox, even these policies only capture part of the picture. The truth is still much deeper than that.

The Torah-Biblical values are the lifeblood of Orthodox Jewry. Belief in God, in law, in what are known as family values, in respect, in responsibility and accountability, in personal freedom, and in justice and its strong enforcement are at the core and soul of the Orthodox community.

When a politician declares support for the LGBTQ lobby, for defunding the police, for abortion on demand, for taxation and regulations that impede religious and personal freedoms and hinder the livelihoods of the masses, and so forth — the Orthodox Jew cannot stomach it. Such concepts offend every fiber of his being and violate his most sacred convictions and values.

By contrast, when politicians advocate family values, safety and security, personal accountability, respect for the rule of law, and deference to traditional faith, the Orthodox community responds and casts its votes favorably.

While solid backing of the State of Israel, as well as unyielding denunciation of antisemitism, are crucial to the Orthodox Jewish public, conservative family and political values are also key to Orthodox Jewish support. In an ever-polarized political and social environment, in which the Democratic party is increasingly viewed as embracing anti-family values, softness on crime, and policies that appear to clash with traditional ideas of personal responsibility and accountability, Orthodox Jewish support for Republicans increases by the day. This is precisely why Trump, for all his behaviors that are at variance with traditional Jewish ideals, is phenomenally popular among Orthodox Jews.

A few Democrat-aligned commenters have assailed the solid Orthodox gravitation to Trump as inconsistent with the hallmarks of good character that the Torah extols and expects. How they ask, can upstanding, conspicuously religious Jews support someone who is identified by many as having substantial character flaws and is the defendant in numerous lawsuits?

This complaint is false and disingenuous. Most voters choose the candidate whose political positions best represent their own and whom they feel can best execute effective policy. Character is usually secondary; we have entirely different expectations of political office candidates than our clergy and spiritual leadership. And let’s be honest: Trump faces serious competition from Democratic opponents in the “ethical lapse” department, so we should not pretend that either side has a lock on the moral turpitude vote.

When I arrived home from the Saturday evening synagogue service seven weeks ago, my daughters immediately told me the news of how an assassin attempted to end the life of President Trump a few hours earlier and how Trump survived what would have otherwise been sure death. I discussed the circumstances of the shooting with my wife and children, and we all immediately concluded that Trump’s survival was an act of hashgacha pratis – Hebrew for “special divine intervention.” It was clear that had Trump not turned his head to a very peculiar angle at that specific moment, he would not have survived.

Shortly after that, Trump recounted the events in detail and pointed to the exceptional circumstances that caused the bullet to miss its mark by mere millimeters. Declaring this as a miracle, he said, “God was with me; it was God alone who prevented the unthinkable from happening.” For myself, my family, and our community, what we heard was another example of Trump speaking our language.

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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #449 on: September 22, 2024, 10:32:09 AM »

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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #450 on: September 22, 2024, 10:37:26 AM »
Thanks, read the whole article.
I honestly can’t fathom how Jews can vote Democrat with so many vicious anti semites in the party and elected officials. Write up a whole professional article articulating how Trump is an anti semite and to be honest he wrote it well and therefore makes interesting points. But then turn to the university riots and the squad and say yeah not gonna happen sorry
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #451 on: September 22, 2024, 10:38:25 AM »


 It is far more hateful to Jews, much more real and potent and disgusting than 'Free Palestine!'

Seriously? Just 'Free Palestine!'????
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #452 on: September 22, 2024, 10:39:08 AM »
Seriously? Just 'Free Palestine!'????
exactly, saw that. Cmon man
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #453 on: September 22, 2024, 10:43:43 AM »
Thanks, read the whole article.
I honestly can’t fathom how Jews can vote Democrat with so many vicious anti semites in the party and elected officials. Write up a whole professional article articulating how Trump is an anti semite and to be honest he wrote it well and therefore makes interesting points. But then turn to the university riots and the squad and say yeah not gonna happen sorry
Maybe they look at the leader of each party? Does any Jew really believe KH is an antisemite?
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #454 on: September 22, 2024, 10:47:58 AM »
Maybe they look at the leader of each party? Does any Jew really believe KH is an antisemite?
I think we’ve seen from Biden presidency that we don’t look at the leader of each party
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #455 on: September 22, 2024, 10:51:55 AM »
Seriously? Just 'Free Palestine!'????
exactly, saw that. Cmon man
Different perspective one should ponder.
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #456 on: September 22, 2024, 10:59:12 AM »
https://townhall.com/columnists/avrohom-gordimer/2024/09/07/not-just-israel-the-orthodox-jewish-communitys-support-for-trump-and-the-gop-n2644343

Leading up to the 2020 election, surveys revealed that then-President Trump had the support of an astronomical 89 percent of the US Orthodox Jewish community. Indications are that Biden-Harris policies and current events have only increased the percentage of Orthodox voters who will support him this November.

One could be forgiven for believing that the current conflict in the Middle East has turned pro-Israel Americans into one-issue voters. Orthodox Jewish support for President Trump, however, has much deeper roots, and this has profound ramifications for future candidates and the fight to restore American values.

President Trump and others frequently attribute his wild popularity in the Orthodox Jewish community to his policies regarding the State of Israel — moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, recognizing Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights, pulling out of the suicidal nuclear deal with Iran, supporting the Israeli war on terror/right to total self-defense, the Abraham Accords, and more. It is undoubtedly true that, like many others in the Jewish community, Orthodox recognize and are immensely grateful for all of these.

Other significant factors, however, are possibly being overlooked. If one would ask the average Orthodox Jew why he supports President Trump, while his answer would certainly include Trump’s support for the State of Israel, it would extend much further. Most Orthodox would give similar answers to mainstream Republicans: they seek an America that has safe streets, a secure Southern border, a robust economy, strong international standing, and, of course, an America that is based on what are commonly referred to as traditional faith and family values.

The Orthodox Jewish community is among the most politically conservative groups in the US. Although one would expect that any sane person would support the rule of law, economic prosperity, high moral standards, and all that has historically been part of the formula for achieving “the American Dream,” for the Orthodox, even these policies only capture part of the picture. The truth is still much deeper than that.

The Torah-Biblical values are the lifeblood of Orthodox Jewry. Belief in God, in law, in what are known as family values, in respect, in responsibility and accountability, in personal freedom, and in justice and its strong enforcement are at the core and soul of the Orthodox community.

When a politician declares support for the LGBTQ lobby, for defunding the police, for abortion on demand, for taxation and regulations that impede religious and personal freedoms and hinder the livelihoods of the masses, and so forth — the Orthodox Jew cannot stomach it. Such concepts offend every fiber of his being and violate his most sacred convictions and values.

By contrast, when politicians advocate family values, safety and security, personal accountability, respect for the rule of law, and deference to traditional faith, the Orthodox community responds and casts its votes favorably.

While solid backing of the State of Israel, as well as unyielding denunciation of antisemitism, are crucial to the Orthodox Jewish public, conservative family and political values are also key to Orthodox Jewish support. In an ever-polarized political and social environment, in which the Democratic party is increasingly viewed as embracing anti-family values, softness on crime, and policies that appear to clash with traditional ideas of personal responsibility and accountability, Orthodox Jewish support for Republicans increases by the day. This is precisely why Trump, for all his behaviors that are at variance with traditional Jewish ideals, is phenomenally popular among Orthodox Jews.

A few Democrat-aligned commenters have assailed the solid Orthodox gravitation to Trump as inconsistent with the hallmarks of good character that the Torah extols and expects. How they ask, can upstanding, conspicuously religious Jews support someone who is identified by many as having substantial character flaws and is the defendant in numerous lawsuits?

This complaint is false and disingenuous. Most voters choose the candidate whose political positions best represent their own and whom they feel can best execute effective policy. Character is usually secondary; we have entirely different expectations of political office candidates than our clergy and spiritual leadership. And let’s be honest: Trump faces serious competition from Democratic opponents in the “ethical lapse” department, so we should not pretend that either side has a lock on the moral turpitude vote.

When I arrived home from the Saturday evening synagogue service seven weeks ago, my daughters immediately told me the news of how an assassin attempted to end the life of President Trump a few hours earlier and how Trump survived what would have otherwise been sure death. I discussed the circumstances of the shooting with my wife and children, and we all immediately concluded that Trump’s survival was an act of hashgacha pratis – Hebrew for “special divine intervention.” It was clear that had Trump not turned his head to a very peculiar angle at that specific moment, he would not have survived.

Shortly after that, Trump recounted the events in detail and pointed to the exceptional circumstances that caused the bullet to miss its mark by mere millimeters. Declaring this as a miracle, he said, “God was with me; it was God alone who prevented the unthinkable from happening.” For myself, my family, and our community, what we heard was another example of Trump speaking our language.
Very well written and spot on.

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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #457 on: September 22, 2024, 11:06:49 AM »
Time for a poll
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #458 on: September 22, 2024, 11:09:19 AM »
Maybe they look at the leader voices of each party? Does any Jew really believe KH is an antisemite?
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Re: Best of Trump
« Reply #459 on: September 22, 2024, 11:09:38 AM »
Very well written and spot on.
"And let’s be honest: Trump faces serious competition from Democratic opponents in the “ethical lapse” department, so we should not pretend that either side has a lock on the moral turpitude vote."

You are not being honest but convincing yourself to feel better. The old they both have BS.

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