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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #100 on: November 15, 2024, 01:18:03 PM »

If a cruise ship has a hechsher on their food, that means the hechsher verified there's no Shabbos issues on the cruise?

So, I actually registered for this trip, and did ask about Shabbos and Kashrus, but I haven't gotten enough clarity to ease my concerns- and am on the verge of pulling out. Which is a shame- I was hoping @Something Fishy was going to Antarctica, but haven't gotten any updates from him. I asked about shabbos, and it being a fully Jewish cruise, and was told that they won't be moving on Shabbos, so it's not a problem. When I asked their Rav about the hechsher for the food, he said the following:

"Thank you for your kashrut inquiry. Passengers who care about Kashrut are important to us and therefore the KRC management goes all out when it comes to ensuring kashrut.
The supplies for the Antarctica cruise are presently being arranged  through our Hungarian suppliers.
We (through one of our mashgichim) oversee the "shechita" in Hungary. It is done by a globally respected shochet, who lives in Israel, where he supervises two "kollels" which teach Shechita. He goes to Hungary periodically to provide kosher meat for the local clientele. He is a highly respected master of his trade! All of our meats are GLATT. We also get other mehadrin and glatt products (processed foods) from local suppliers  in Europe.
We get our "Cholov Yisroel and Pas Yisroel" baked goods in Hungary and Europe as well.
Our mashgichim are mature educated "Talmedai Chachamim" who care about, and are proud of, our exceptional adherence to halacha.
Please contact me if you have any further questions."

and when I asked which hechsher could vouch for him (maybe that's not standard for trips? I'm unsure), he said the following:

"There are no "organizations" which supervise our kashrus.
We rely on the "Shulchan Orech."
The products we purchase have "international," and "local" hashgachot, upon which we rely.
How we use them is solely and totally my responsibility, (which I take very seriously), and my mashgichim, who are talmedai chachomim, and shomrei torah umitzvot,    (and in most situations they are musmachim as well) and I am certain that they are "yerai shomaim."
Many chosuvah rabanim and have cruised with us, multiple times.
If needed, I would be glad to give references as to my "farleslichkite."
Please feel free to discuss the issues at your convenience."

Is not having a hechsher or supervisory organization be involved with a trip like this standard operating procedure? I'm trying to figure out if this cruise is ok or not. @Dan @Something Fishy, any thoughts?

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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #101 on: November 15, 2024, 04:16:39 PM »
So, I actually registered for this trip, and did ask about Shabbos and Kashrus, but I haven't gotten enough clarity to ease my concerns- and am on the verge of pulling out. Which is a shame- I was hoping @Something Fishy was going to Antarctica, but haven't gotten any updates from him. I asked about shabbos, and it being a fully Jewish cruise, and was told that they won't be moving on Shabbos, so it's not a problem. When I asked their Rav about the hechsher for the food, he said the following:

"Thank you for your kashrut inquiry. Passengers who care about Kashrut are important to us and therefore the KRC management goes all out when it comes to ensuring kashrut.
The supplies for the Antarctica cruise are presently being arranged  through our Hungarian suppliers.
We (through one of our mashgichim) oversee the "shechita" in Hungary. It is done by a globally respected shochet, who lives in Israel, where he supervises two "kollels" which teach Shechita. He goes to Hungary periodically to provide kosher meat for the local clientele. He is a highly respected master of his trade! All of our meats are GLATT. We also get other mehadrin and glatt products (processed foods) from local suppliers  in Europe.
We get our "Cholov Yisroel and Pas Yisroel" baked goods in Hungary and Europe as well.
Our mashgichim are mature educated "Talmedai Chachamim" who care about, and are proud of, our exceptional adherence to halacha.
Please contact me if you have any further questions."

and when I asked which hechsher could vouch for him (maybe that's not standard for trips? I'm unsure), he said the following:

"There are no "organizations" which supervise our kashrus.
We rely on the "Shulchan Orech."
The products we purchase have "international," and "local" hashgachot, upon which we rely.
How we use them is solely and totally my responsibility, (which I take very seriously), and my mashgichim, who are talmedai chachomim, and shomrei torah umitzvot,    (and in most situations they are musmachim as well) and I am certain that they are "yerai shomaim."
Many chosuvah rabanim and have cruised with us, multiple times.
If needed, I would be glad to give references as to my "farleslichkite."
Please feel free to discuss the issues at your convenience."

Is not having a hechsher or supervisory organization be involved with a trip like this standard operating procedure? I'm trying to figure out if this cruise is ok or not. @Dan @Something Fishy, any thoughts?

Ask where exactly is the ship docking for Shabbos?
How is the ship getting power and water for Shabbos?
How is the crew able to keep the ship afloat and powered without doing melacha?

I have no comment on the kashrus, reach out to kashrus orgs for that or ask @moko his opinion.

Our food was mostly precooked and double sealed from @Jolu who was a Montreal caterer under the MK as kashrus for fresh food on ships is notoriously difficult. We had no onboard hashgocha, but we hired @Moishebatchy to come along as a mashgiach.
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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #102 on: November 16, 2024, 08:29:15 PM »
So, I actually registered for this trip, and did ask about Shabbos and Kashrus, but I haven't gotten enough clarity to ease my concerns- and am on the verge of pulling out. Which is a shame- I was hoping @Something Fishy was going to Antarctica...................

Just to clarify, this doesn't seem to be about the Plan It Right cruise this thread has started about.

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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #103 on: November 16, 2024, 09:18:57 PM »
farleslichkite

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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #104 on: November 16, 2024, 09:19:41 PM »
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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #105 on: November 16, 2024, 09:34:11 PM »
I would be very concerned about a hechsher without proper experience in administering in complex situations which I am fairly certain this is.
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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #106 on: November 17, 2024, 12:55:53 AM »

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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #107 on: November 17, 2024, 02:23:59 PM »
https://www.yiddish24.com/live/240/116777

Basically they're saying on the interview, it will be hooked up to electric, water & waste on Shabbat. But no specific Rav mentioned.

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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #108 on: November 17, 2024, 02:25:42 PM »
Basically they're saying on the interview, it will be hooked up to electric, water & waste on Shabbat. But no specific Rav mentioned.
Which cruise?
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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #110 on: November 17, 2024, 02:29:43 PM »
The Plan it Rite Cruise.

https://www.planitrite.com/trip/charter-cruise-europe-2024
That's a good start, though I am curious if it supplies all the power and water needed or just a portion. And what other melachas have to be done, even if the boat is docked.
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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #111 on: November 20, 2024, 10:35:16 AM »
I would be very concerned about a hechsher without proper experience in administering in complex situations which I am fairly certain this is.

Could he start by asking the "Rav hamachshir" simple questions like how much time before the journey they will get access to the kitchens for kashering? How exactly they will be kasher various types of equipment?

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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #112 on: November 20, 2024, 11:44:06 AM »
The Plan it Rite Cruise.

https://www.planitrite.com/trip/charter-cruise-europe-2024
Again, Dan asked fair halachic questions.
Would be nice if someone clarified more what the the rav said (and who the rov is).

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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #113 on: November 21, 2024, 12:26:51 PM »
Again, Dan asked fair halachic questions.
Would be nice if someone clarified more what the the rav said (and who the rov is).

Planitrite says the Danube cruise hashgacha is Rav Yechiel Steinmetz from Monsey.

The Antarctica cruise seems to be kashrus supervised by some pulpit rabbi who got smicha from Pirchei Shoshanim, and is probably in way over his head. Just from what we've seen written about his hashgacha by the organizers and him, I doubt he is supervising anything more than that.

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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #114 on: November 21, 2024, 09:07:29 PM »
The Antarctica cruise seems to be kashrus supervised by some pulpit rabbi who got smicha from Pirchei Shoshanim, and is probably in way over his head. Just from what we've seen written about his hashgacha by the organizers and him, I doubt he is supervising anything more than that.
I saw written response from him in regards to kashrus questions tht is downright bizzare

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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #115 on: November 21, 2024, 09:13:55 PM »
Planitrite says the Danube cruise hashgacha is Rav Yechiel Steinmetz from Monsey.

The Antarctica cruise seems to be kashrus supervised by some pulpit rabbi who got smicha from Pirchei Shoshanim, and is probably in way over his head. Just from what we've seen written about his hashgacha by the organizers and him, I doubt he is supervising anything more than that.
Do either have answers for the questions I asked about Shabbos?
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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #116 on: December 05, 2024, 11:22:28 AM »
So, I actually registered for this trip, and did ask about Shabbos and Kashrus, but I haven't gotten enough clarity to ease my concerns- and am on the verge of pulling out. Which is a shame- I was hoping @Something Fishy was going to Antarctica, but haven't gotten any updates from him. I asked about shabbos, and it being a fully Jewish cruise, and was told that they won't be moving on Shabbos, so it's not a problem. When I asked their Rav about the hechsher for the food, he said the following:

"Thank you for your kashrut inquiry. Passengers who care about Kashrut are important to us and therefore the KRC management goes all out when it comes to ensuring kashrut.
The supplies for the Antarctica cruise are presently being arranged  through our Hungarian suppliers.
We (through one of our mashgichim) oversee the "shechita" in Hungary. It is done by a globally respected shochet, who lives in Israel, where he supervises two "kollels" which teach Shechita. He goes to Hungary periodically to provide kosher meat for the local clientele. He is a highly respected master of his trade! All of our meats are GLATT. We also get other mehadrin and glatt products (processed foods) from local suppliers  in Europe.
We get our "Cholov Yisroel and Pas Yisroel" baked goods in Hungary and Europe as well.
Our mashgichim are mature educated "Talmedai Chachamim" who care about, and are proud of, our exceptional adherence to halacha.
Please contact me if you have any further questions."

and when I asked which hechsher could vouch for him (maybe that's not standard for trips? I'm unsure), he said the following:

"There are no "organizations" which supervise our kashrus.
We rely on the "Shulchan Orech."
The products we purchase have "international," and "local" hashgachot, upon which we rely.
How we use them is solely and totally my responsibility, (which I take very seriously), and my mashgichim, who are talmedai chachomim, and shomrei torah umitzvot,    (and in most situations they are musmachim as well) and I am certain that they are "yerai shomaim."
Many chosuvah rabanim and have cruised with us, multiple times.
If needed, I would be glad to give references as to my "farleslichkite."
Please feel free to discuss the issues at your convenience."

Is not having a hechsher or supervisory organization be involved with a trip like this standard operating procedure? I'm trying to figure out if this cruise is ok or not. @Dan @Something Fishy, any thoughts?

You wrote that You actually registered for this trip and you are referring to the Antarctica cruise, you are in the wrong thread.

Im not sure what you are talking about, the hechsher was from rav steinmetz Monsey, the food came from Antwerp.

I was on the cruise, the ship was docked the entire shabbos

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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #117 on: December 05, 2024, 11:38:11 AM »

I was on the cruise, the ship was docked the entire shabbos

Any word how Dan's concerns upthread were dealt with?

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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #118 on: December 05, 2024, 12:54:25 PM »
You wrote that You actually registered for this trip and you are referring to the Antarctica cruise, you are in the wrong thread.

Im not sure what you are talking about, the hechsher was from rav steinmetz Monsey, the food came from Antwerp.

I was on the cruise, the ship was docked the entire shabbos
Both cruises were discussed in this thread

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Re: Private Charter - Kosher Cruise
« Reply #119 on: December 07, 2024, 02:34:05 PM »
...the hechsher was from rav steinmetz Monsey, the food came from Antwerp.

I was on the cruise, the ship was docked the entire shabbos
So many questions...
Was Rav Steinmetz there? If no, who was the mashgiach/posek in charge on the ground?** How many mashgichim were there in total?
Since Rav Steinmetz is not from Antwerp, who in fact did give the hashgacha on the food prepared in Antwerp? Why were they not the hashgacha on the boat? On that note, why someone from the US and not a more local respected European Hechsher?
Who was in charge of making sure all the required non food related pre shabbos preps were actually done? The food hashgacha team? so who was watching the kitchen then? or was it someone else?

**This has long been something I've wondered about hechsherim in complicated settings over Shabbos/YT.

(Not a post looking to be critical, just curiousity)
« Last Edit: December 07, 2024, 03:38:51 PM by yfr bachur »