Private Charter - Kosher Cruise

[mendi n]

Ok I read all
But in today advanced technology they are still the same way?

Let's say water if the machine does that automatically even if this is for the jews it's ok because no one is doing a melacha directly.

Like water in Israel

And the others too

Read these and ask again if you still have questions?

[moko]

How does hashgacha on the food impact Shabbos questions?

say what?

[Dan]

say what?

If a cruise ship has a hechsher on their food, that means the hechsher verified there's no Shabbos issues on the cruise?

[moko]

If a cruise ship has a hechsher on their food, that means the hechsher verified there's no Shabbos issues on the cruise?

If being on the ship on shabbos is inherently problematic, I would a hashgacha took care to ensure that their mashgiach is (or at least has the option of being  a shomer Torah umitzvos

[moko]

For those who question the difference between this and a hotel, I don't see why chilul shabbos is inherently part of operating a hotel on shabbos. Many shomer shabbos hotels would beg to differ.
Many are nichshal, but I believe it's possible to operate al hatzad hayoser tov.
You'll probably have to resort times to various kulos (such as the famous eliyahu raba )
For further edification see shu"a o"c 276:2 and the nosei keilim

[Shmuel K]

If being on the ship on shabbos is inherently problematic, I would a hashgacha took care to ensure that their mashgiach is (or at least has the option of being  a shomer Torah umitzvos

What about all the restaurants that play music while wine is served? Does the hashgacha take responsibility for that?

[yfr bachur]

Ok I read all
But in today advanced technology they are still the same way?

Let's say water if the machine does that automatically even if this is for the jews it's ok because no one is doing a melacha directly.

Like water in Israel

And the others too

...Its a major issue, at least among those who care to look into the metzius/halacha.
There are many, many people who do not use water that was made/pumped on shabbos.

The idea that bec of advanced tech things less melacha is done is sort of not really in touch with reality

[yfr bachur]

What about all the restaurants that play music while wine is served? Does the hashgacha take responsibility for that?

AFAIK almost all dont.

[yfr bachur]

I just don't understand
How are boat works?
Electricity- if the have a generator and connected to the shore they still need someone to Press buttons and do melacha?

Water and waste they have to do a melacha ?
Can't they stay 1 day without touching the stuff ?
Is that impossible?

Explain to us
Because if they can be 24 hours alone and the goy still decide to do stuff for himself it's ok

AFAIK He is your employee and would be your poel and this heter has much less validity.

[moko]

What about all the restaurants that play music while wine is served? Does the hashgacha take responsibility for that?

If being on the ship on shabbos is inherently problematic, I would a hashgacha took care to ensure that their mashgiach is (or at least has the option of being  a shomer Torah umitzvos

[yfr bachur]

Is it possible that a hechsher may not think about all the halachic issues involved? They are kosher food experts, maybe have less experience thinking about zeitige issues?

[aygart]

Is it possible that a hechsher may not think about all the halachic issues involved? They are kosher food experts, maybe have less experience thinking about zeitige issues?

Then they shouldn't be involved in food service.

[yfr bachur]

Then they shouldn't be involved in food service.

We all know that isnt necessarily the reality.

[aygart]

We all know that isnt necessarily the reality.

Almost all reliable ones have shabbos guidelines and if they don't then I would recommend avoiding them on shabbos.

[yfr bachur]

Almost all reliable ones have shabbos guidelines and if they don't then I would recommend avoiding them on shabbos.

...for everything?
They send an eruvin expert to resorts?
They certify that the rooms are ok for shabbos?

[Alexsei]

...for everything?
They send an eruvin expert to resorts?
They certify that the rooms are ok for shabbos?

Happens to be that Rabbi Steinmetz is one of the biggest experts on Eruvin

[imayid2]

AFAIK He is your employee and would be your poel and this heter has much less validity.

AFAIK if he’s doing it for himself it’s always fine

[yfr bachur]

Happens to be that Rabbi Steinmetz is one of the biggest experts on Eruvin

wasnt talking about anyone in particular... just the general question if the hechsher on the food service in the hotel/ship includes the surrounding halachic issues too.

[AsherO]

wasnt talking about anyone in particular... just the general question if the hechsher on the food service in the hotel/ship includes the surrounding halachic issues too.

Sorta like whether the hechsher on a restaurant or simcha venue covers includes the surrounding halachic issues too...

[aygart]

...for everything?
They send an eruvin expert to resorts?
They certify that the rooms are ok for shabbos?

I know that many do for their pesach programs. I've been in touch with some about that.