Pogrom In Amsterdam, El Al Adds Emergency Shabbos Flights

[Moshe Green]

Chilul Shabbos B'Farhesia. Hashem Yiracheim...

Anyone who can get to the airport can also get away from Amsterdam and go somewhere safe. Better to take off their Kipa (or star of david) then be Mechalel Shabbos...

[yoval]

Last update: November 8, 2024, 2:45 p.m. (Israel time)


Following the violent incidents in Amsterdam
Rescue flights

EL AL will operate rescue flights from the destination to Tel Aviv on short notice. The flights will be free of charge:

Flight LY336 from Amsterdam will depart today (Friday) at 2:50 p.m. (local time) and is expected to land back in Tel Aviv at 8:55 p.m.
Flight LY330 from Amsterdam to Tel Aviv will depart today (Friday) at 6:40 p.m. (local time) and is expected to land in Tel Aviv tomorrow (Saturday) at 12:05 a.m. The flight will be operated by a Dreamliner aircraft with approximately 270 seats.
Flight LY238 from Amsterdam to Tel Aviv will depart today (Friday) at 8:35 p.m (local time) and is expected to land in Tel Aviv tomorrow (Saturday) at 1:55 a.m. (local time). The flight will be operated by a Dreamliner aircraft with approximately 270 seats.
Flight LY332 from Amsterdam to Tel Aviv will depart today (Friday) at 10:20 p.m. (local time) and is expected to land in Tel Aviv tomorrow (Saturday) at 3:40 a.m. The flight will be operated by a Dreamliner aircraft with approximately 270 seats.
Passengers can register for the flights by contacting the dedicated customer service number for customers in Amsterdam: 03-9404040. Please note that the call center is receiving many calls, so we ask for your patience.

Seats in all service classes (Economy, Premium, and Business) will be provided free of charge for all passengers who held a flight ticket with EL AL or another airline.

In addition to the rescue flight, there are two flights on their way to Amsterdam that will also return to Israel today, carrying approximately 350 Israelis. We emphasize that these flights were planned in advance, regardless of the violent events.

The operation of flights during Shabbat is being carried out with the approval of the Chief Rabbis of Israel.

 

We continue to expand our flight schedule.

We are working closely with the authorities and will adhere to all security guidelines.

[Ergel]

Chilul Shabbos B'Farhesia. Hashem Yiracheim...

Anyone who can get to the airport can also get away from Amsterdam and go somewhere safe. Better to take off their Kipa (or star of david) then be Mechalel Shabbos...

I'm not saying it's right or wrong - but it's obvious that psak for one person is different than psak for a group in questions like this. It is definitely possible that a single person is not pikuach nefesh but for a large group it is

[Moshe Green]

I'm not saying it's right or wrong - but it's obvious that psak for one person is different than psak for a group in questions like this. It is definitely possible that a single person is not pikuach nefesh but for a large group it is

Its not a pogrom that going on. its a one time incident. No one is in danger now. The police are on the case as well...
Why do they need to be flown to Israel anyways? They can drive to a different city...

[Sammy82]

Its not a pogrom that going on. its a one time incident. No one is in danger now. The police are on the case as well...
Why do they need to be flown to Israel anyways? They can drive to a different city...

Interesting how you know all of the details and pasken against credible rabbanim who paskened otherwise.

[shapsam]

Its not a pogrom that going on. its a one time incident. No one is in danger now. The police are on the case as well...
Why do they need to be flown to Israel anyways? They can drive to a different city...

I am not familiar with the facts on the ground, but how do you know the police can control the situation when they already failed. And who's to say the attackers won't regroup and follow a sizeable Israeli group to another city?

This was reported as being a planned ambush...

[LongTimeLurker]

Chilul Shabbos B'Farhesia. Hashem Yiracheim...

Anyone who can get to the airport can also get away from Amsterdam and go somewhere safe. Better to take off their Kipa (or star of david) then be Mechalel Shabbos...

I am pretty sure this sugia was already solved many years ago so you don't need to worry.

We need to be machmir on pikuah nefesh and mekil on hilul shabbat, not the other way around.

[sky121]

Chilul Shabbos B'Farhesia. Hashem Yiracheim...

Anyone who can get to the airport can also get away from Amsterdam and go somewhere safe. Better to take off their Kipa (or star of david) then be Mechalel Shabbos...

Oh brother.

[imayid2]

Chilul Shabbos B'Farhesia. Hashem Yiracheim...

Anyone who can get to the airport can also get away from Amsterdam and go somewhere safe. Better to take off their Kipa (or star of david) then be Mechalel Shabbos...

Foreigners aren’t difficult to ferret out. If there is an organized effort by hundreds of local Arabs to find Israelis there is a real and acute danger. Not everyone has the ability to arrange for a safe location in short notice.

Rav Dovid Yosef is no kal and a brilliant T”C.

They said they will reevaluate based on updated security assessments.

[aygart]

It is definitely foolhardy to make statements about this without knowing all of the facts on the ground.

[zalman2bis]

If this turns out to be true (and it’s a big if-  it’s hard to know what really came first and started the whole thing and if the slogans even were what is being claimed) it is despicable  התגרות באומות and I have a lot less sympathy for these folks.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/video-footage-shows-israeli-soccer-fans-taunting-arabs-in-amsterdam-with-anti-palestinian-chants/

https://x.com/clashreport/status/1854765104467718531?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1854765104467718531%7Ctwgr%5E811a3a9d36fe0bc25e9510d70b85982e33e78db8%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.timesofisrael.com%2Fliveblog_entry%2Fvideo-footage-shows-israeli-soccer-fans-taunting-arabs-in-amsterdam-with-anti-palestinian-chants%2F

Majorly disagree with this whole post.
1) It's just a report
2) How many was it
3) even if it was true, absolutely no "excuse" whatsoever for them to get assaulted
4) lack of taste, in posting this while people are wounded etc. like maybe oh maybe we should have a little less sympathy

[UKinNYS]

https://x.com/geertwilderspvv/status/1854751655591350331

[AsherO]

It is definitely foolhardy to make statements about this without knowing all of the facts on the ground.

But it’s easier to be a keyboard chassid shoyteh

[Yehuda57]

Football fans going to other countries, acting like hooligans, chanting vile racist stuff is not new. It has happened to pretty much every European country, England lost hosting the world cup because of their fans.

That has nothing to do with a planned, organized pogrom to ambush and attack fans because of their ethnicity.

Any equivalence or talk of who started it is morally depraved nonsense that should not be entertained for a second by anyone, let alone fellow Jews. If any of us where on the streets of Amsterdam, it would have been us, even if we had been part of pro Palestine protests before the game.

[jye]

Football fans going to other countries, acting like hooligans, chanting vile racist stuff is not new. It has happened to pretty much every European country, England lost hosting the world cup because of their fans.

That has nothing to do with a planned, organized pogrom to ambush and attack fans because of their ethnicity.

Any equivalence or talk of who started it is morally depraved nonsense that should not be entertained for a second by anyone, let alone fellow Jews. If any of us where on the streets of Amsterdam, it would have been us, even if we had been part of pro Palestine protests before the game.

Of course once they were instigated they would have gone after pro Palestinian Jews as well. This entirely misses the point. Chazal caution us again and again to avoid התגרות באומות in galus no matter the provocation. (Self defense and reaction to a present danger is a different discussion that has no relevance to what took place here). See Beraishis Rabbah beginning of Vayishlach מחזיק באזני כלב עובר, see Rashi in Mikeitz למה תתראו, and numerous other places. There doesn’t seem to be any dispute that there was indeed a rowdy team spirit among the Maccabee fans that included widespread התגרות באומות: chants, denigrations, tearing down flags, etc.

There is no equivalence or victim blaming here. There is simply a recognition of an eternal truth. Chazal caution us to keep a low profile even when provoked and certainly not to instigate or rile up the אומות העולם, even lowly Arab immigrants. The program targeting innocent Jews was the result.

The Medrash tells that the  Tanaim and  Amoraim use to carefully review the parsha of Yaakov and Eisav each time they interacted with the Roman government to apply the lessons chazal extracted from that episode. When those lessons are forgotten the result is not pretty.

There is lots more to say about the Maccabe match the ideology behind it , and the sentiments that led to the התגרות but that is a much broader and more nuanced discussion and this is not the place for it.

[DaasTora]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JPea0Ymx4tv8Qo5RYnc4ZmH5yh3Z49mw/view

[yelped]

Someone is not wasting any time:

https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1854890043548352932

[Yehuda57]

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1854935753379209248

[jye]

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1854935753379209248

It seems they deliberately put up Palestinian flags all over anticipating that the Israelis would try to tear them down. Unfortunately the Israelis took the bait.

[EliJelly]

Foreigners aren’t difficult to ferret out. If there is an organized effort by hundreds of local Arabs to find Israelis there is a real and acute danger. Not everyone has the ability to arrange for a safe location in short notice.

Rav Dovid Yosef is no kal and a brilliant T”C.

They said they will reevaluate based on updated security assessments.

Yay, the non observant state rescuing non observant fans can pretend for the world they keep shabbos by getting a heter. The "Jewish" face of it is saved.