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Re: Pogrom In Amsterdam, El Al Adds Emergency Shabbos Flights
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2024, 01:24:44 PM »
Yay, the non observant state rescuing non observant fans can pretend for the world they keep shabbos by getting a heter. The "Jewish" face of it is saved.
I assume ElAl required the psak, not the govt

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Re: Pogrom In Amsterdam, El Al Adds Emergency Shabbos Flights
« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2024, 01:36:58 PM »
Football fans going to other countries, acting like hooligans, chanting vile racist stuff is not new. It has happened to pretty much every European country, England lost hosting the world cup because of their fans.

That has nothing to do with a planned, organized pogrom to ambush and attack fans because of their ethnicity.

Any equivalence or talk of who started it is morally depraved nonsense that should not be entertained for a second by anyone, let alone fellow Jews. If any of us where on the streets of Amsterdam, it would have been us, even if we had been part of pro Palestine protests before the game.


Have at it:
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/news/airline-news/after-amsterdam-pogrom-el-al-planes-will-fly-on-shabbos-for-the-2nd-time-in-42-years-will-evacuate-passengers-at-no-charge/#comment-1742041
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Re: Pogrom In Amsterdam, El Al Adds Emergency Shabbos Flights
« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2024, 02:04:30 PM »
Have at it:
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/news/airline-news/after-amsterdam-pogrom-el-al-planes-will-fly-on-shabbos-for-the-2nd-time-in-42-years-will-evacuate-passengers-at-no-charge/#comment-1742041
to me this would seem to be חילול שבת בפרהסיא. The progrom is over. They can't keep these people secure till after שבת and then fly out?

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Re: Pogrom In Amsterdam, El Al Adds Emergency Shabbos Flights
« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2024, 02:06:34 PM »
to me this would seem to be חילול שבת בפרהסיא. The progrom is over. They can't keep these people secure till after שבת and then fly out?

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Re: Pogrom In Amsterdam, El Al Adds Emergency Shabbos Flights
« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2024, 02:55:32 PM »
They were ambushed and also followed back to their hotels. I bet if the keyboard warriors were there they would run out of clean underwear pretty quickly.
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Re: Pogrom In Amsterdam, El Al Adds Emergency Shabbos Flights
« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2024, 03:46:33 PM »
Football fans going to other countries, acting like hooligans, chanting vile racist stuff is not new. It has happened to pretty much every European country, England lost hosting the world cup because of their fans.

That has nothing to do with a planned, organized pogrom to ambush and attack fans because of their ethnicity.

Any equivalence or talk of who started it is morally depraved nonsense that should not be entertained for a second by anyone, let alone fellow Jews. If any of us where on the streets of Amsterdam, it would have been us, even if we had been part of pro Palestine protests before the game.



https://www.dansdeals.com/more/news/airline-news/after-amsterdam-pogrom-el-al-planes-will-fly-on-shabbos-for-the-2nd-time-in-42-years-will-evacuate-passengers-at-no-charge/#comment-1742107

Guess JJ and I should have had a license to do some bad stuff after Yankee Stadium. ;)

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Re: Pogrom In Amsterdam, El Al Adds Emergency Shabbos Flights
« Reply #48 on: November 08, 2024, 03:49:05 PM »
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/news/airline-news/after-amsterdam-pogrom-el-al-planes-will-fly-on-shabbos-for-the-2nd-time-in-42-years-will-evacuate-passengers-at-no-charge/#comment-1742107

Guess JJ and I should have had a license to do some bad stuff after Yankee Stadium. ;)
Yankee Stadium isn't in the same stratosphere as European football. Every British team has a fan club that is a literal gang.

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Re: Pogrom In Amsterdam, El Al Adds Emergency Shabbos Flights
« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2024, 12:31:35 PM »
Last update: November 9, 2024, 5:25 p.m. (Israel time)


Following the violent incidents in Amsterdam
Rescue flights

EL AL will operate rescue flights from the destination to Tel Aviv on short notice. The flights will be free of charge:

Flight LY336 from Amsterdam will depart on Nov 8th, at 2:50 p.m. (local time) and is expected to land back in Tel Aviv at 8:55 p.m.
Flight LY330 from Amsterdam to Tel Aviv will depart on Nov 8th, at 6:40 p.m. (local time) and is expected to land in Tel Aviv on Nov 9th, at 12:05 a.m. The flight will be operated by a Dreamliner aircraft with approximately 270 seats.
Flight LY238 from Amsterdam to Tel Aviv will depart on Nov 8th, at 8:35 p.m. (local time) and is expected to land in Tel Aviv on Nov 9th, at 1:55 a.m. (local time). The flight will be operated by a Dreamliner aircraft with approximately 270 seats.
Flight LY332 from Amsterdam to Tel Aviv will depart on Nov 8th, at 10:20 p.m. (local time) and is expected to land in Tel Aviv on Nov 9th, at 3:40 a.m. The flight will be operated by a Dreamliner aircraft with approximately 270 seats.
Flight LY238 from Amsterdam to Tel Aviv will depart on Nov 9th, at 10:20 a.m. (local time) and is expected to land in Tel Aviv at 3:45 p.m. (local time). The flight will be operated by a Dreamliner aircraft with approximately 240 seats.
Flight LY338 from Amsterdam to Tel Aviv will depart on Nov 9th, at 11:30 a.m. (local time) and is expected to land in Tel Aviv at 4:55 p.m. (local time). The flight will be operated by a Dreamliner aircraft with approximately 240 seats.
Passengers can register for the flights by contacting the dedicated customer service number for customers in Amsterdam: 03-9404040. Please note that the call center is receiving many calls, so we ask for your patience.

Seats in all service classes (Economy, Premium, and Business) will be provided free of charge for all passengers who held a flight ticket with EL AL or another airline.

In addition to the rescue flight, there are two flights on their way to Amsterdam that will also return to Israel today, carrying approximately 350 Israelis. We emphasize that these flights were planned in advance, regardless of the violent events.

The operation of flights during Shabbat is being carried out with the approval of the Chief Rabbis of Israel.

Flexible policy for changing and cancelling flight tickets

Passengers who purchased a ticket today (Friday), November 8th, 2024, on the Tel Aviv-Amsterdam route, for flights departing until November 16th, 2024, can change their flight to any non-stop flight departing until November 16th, 2024, from any EL AL/Sundor Europe destination - without change fees, fare differences, or airport taxes.
Additionally, these passengers can cancel their flight and receive a credit voucher for future use.

Fixed ticket price

The price of a one-way flight from Amsterdam to Tel Aviv on existing flights will be €179 for a Lite ticket.

 

We continue to expand our flight schedule.

We are working closely with the authorities and will adhere to all security guidelines.

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Re: Pogrom In Amsterdam, El Al Adds Emergency Shabbos Flights
« Reply #51 on: November 09, 2024, 01:53:12 PM »
It is definitely foolhardy to make statements about this without knowing all of the facts on the ground.
But it’s easier to be a keyboard chassid shoyteh
The Halacha is that one is חייב to Dan L'Kav Chov Reshaim.

The state definitely fits that definition.

Its easy for them to give over wrong info to the Chief Rabbis to get that "psak". In fact, in Israel, every arab shabbos doctor knows to tell their frum patience that they "must" go to the hospital "immediately" because its "pikuach nefesh".

This is basic observation, facts, and Halacha...

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Re: Pogrom In Amsterdam, El Al Adds Emergency Shabbos Flights
« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2024, 05:09:55 PM »
Its not a pogrom that going on. its a one time incident. No one is in danger now. The police are on the case as well...
Why do they need to be flown to Israel anyways? They can drive to a different city...

Find it interesting how you get attacked for offering your opinion.
I have a question. EL AL belongs, to a frum Jew no ?

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Re: Pogrom In Amsterdam, El Al Adds Emergency Shabbos Flights
« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2024, 07:04:40 PM »
The Halacha is that one is חייב to Dan L'Kav Chov Reshaim.

Source? Even if this is the Halacha, people choose to be mehader on this one…
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Re: Pogrom In Amsterdam, El Al Adds Emergency Shabbos Flights
« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2024, 07:57:01 PM »
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1854883732349440274

Hopefully Uber will cooperate with law enforcement to figure out which drivers were involved
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Re: Pogrom In Amsterdam, El Al Adds Emergency Shabbos Flights
« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2024, 08:05:06 PM »
The Halacha is that one is חייב to Dan L'Kav Chov Reshaim.

The state definitely fits that definition.

Its easy for them to give over wrong info to the Chief Rabbis to get that "psak". In fact, in Israel, every arab shabbos doctor knows to tell their frum patience that they "must" go to the hospital "immediately" because its "pikuach nefesh".

This is basic observation, facts, and Halacha...

Ah so that is what you consider the Cheif Rabbis to be?
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Re: Pogrom In Amsterdam, El Al Adds Emergency Shabbos Flights
« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2024, 08:18:21 PM »
I think we should just ignore the troll.

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