Pogrom In Amsterdam, El Al Adds Emergency Shabbos Flights

[yelped]

https://x.com/EylonALevy/status/1855282605606031667

[EliJelly]

Let's not pretend that everything in this evacuation mission went according to psak halacha, but let's also not pretend that Israel is all of the sudden an halacha complying government in the slightest form, so this whole conversation is irrelevant. The optics that the so called Jewish state is pursuing should be ignored. The Chief Rabbis are being paid for that role, the rest of us not.   

[Chuchum Ainer]

Yay, the non observant state rescuing non observant fans can pretend for the world they keep shabbos by getting a heter. The "Jewish" face of it is saved.

Would you rather they didn't get a heter?

[Alexsei]

Mehdi YMS posts only belong in one thread.

WHY DIDN'T HE GET A BEEPER?

[EliJelly]

Would you rather they didn't get a heter?

They'd get a heter for the buses circulating Tel Aviv on shabbos too

[Chuchum Ainer]

...
That has nothing to do with a planned, organized pogrom to ambush and attack fans because of their ethnicity.
...

I've heard enough from people I trust to believe this, but can you share the evidence for the fact it was (at least partly) pre-planned?

[YitzyS]

I think we should just ignore the troll.

Good morning!

[EliJelly]

WHY DIDN'T HE GET A BEEPER?

This joke costed someone his job

[Sam 77]

Doesn't make in not funny

[EliJelly]

Doesn't make in not funny

Of course it is, and true too.

[Dan]

https://x.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1855007426077954296

[Alexsei]

This joke costed someone his job

He should get that job back now!

[yelped]

I've heard enough from people I trust to believe this, but can you share the evidence for the fact it was (at least partly) pre-planned?

Besides Israeli intelligence passed on to Dutch police, there are screenshots of WhatsApp chats all over Twitter.

[kosherjid]

to me this would seem to be חילול שבת בפרהסיא. The progrom is over. They can't keep these people secure till after שבת and then fly out?

Does EL AL belong to a frum Jew ?

[yfr bachur]

I think we should just ignore the troll.

Just because you don't like what he is saying does not mean he is trolling.
He has a valid point.
The state does not have a chezkaz kashrus when it comes to things like Shmiras Shabbos, nor asking the shaylos properly.
It is definitely a valid question why the massive chilul shabbos was needed, especially since there are many other options that could have had less chilul shabbos. (If its such "pikuach nefesh", the IL govt should be organizing airlifts of Jewish communities from cities across Europe...).
Look at the speed at which the IL govt changed the danger level in Amsterdam back down...
This really seems to be a situation where it is possible that the SM people whipped up a situation with more urgency then it really had. In the few hours after the game, maybe yes... the next day not really.

[EliJelly]

Initial reports were horrifying indeed. Groups of enraged blood thirsty Muslims running after Jews with knives and cars ramming into people. We envisioned the full scene of the old pogroms with multiple casualties. BH it turned out that wasn't the case.

[EliJelly]

Does EL AL belong to a frum Jew ?

Kenny Rozenberg (Under son Eli's name)

[yfr bachur]

to me this would seem to be חילול שבת בפרהסיא. The progrom is over. They can't keep these people secure till after שבת and then fly out?

Does EL AL belong to a frum Jew ?

He may not have a choice. The Govt sort of has him over a barrel

[Euclid]

Just because you don't like what he is saying does not mean he is trolling.
The state does not have a chezkaz kashrus

Neither does he

[mevinyavin]

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/398909

Pretty scary. Also interesting mention of a chasid umos haolam, who tried to protect this fellow.

Amsterdam pogrom victim: 'They beat us like dogs, people around didn't intervene'
Tzvi Kedar, who was injured in the lynching in Amsterdam, recounted how locals saw the Israeli fans being beaten and refrained from intervening, noting that the local authorities refused to help.
Israel National News
  Nov 10, 2024, 10:35 AM (GMT+2)

Tzvi Kedar, a Maccabi Tel Aviv fan, who was injured after being brutally beaten in Amsterdam, recounted the terrifying moments he experienced.

"When we exited the metro after the game, nothing felt problematic. Suddenly, in Dam Square, a woman approached us and told us 'Come to my bar, it's dangerous for you to walk around here'. We thought she was joking and trying to sell us alcohol, but when we went in, we saw many frightened and scared Israelis. She saved us; we were really on our way to hell,” Kedar recounted in an interview on Kan Radio.

"The police arrived and dispersed the event, the rioters were not afraid of the police. We asked one of them to escort us to the hotel, and he refused, claiming 'We don't provide escort services'," he said, noting that he and his friend had to walk to the hotel alone and conceal any sign that might identify them as Israelis.

"200 meters from the hotel, someone approached me and asked where I was from; I answered 'Greece', and he pulled my yellow Maccabi scarf from my pocket and started confronting me." Tzvi shouted to his friend to run to no avail, and more assailants arrived at the scene: "They confronted us with metal rods, bottles, and knuckledusters; we were two against twenty, taking hits on the street like dogs. My friend lost consciousness, and I was bleeding."

He tried to call an ambulance and heard that the rescue forces refused to come to the location. "We evacuated ourselves by taxi, which the hotel claimed was safe. In the hospital, there was no empathy towards us; they were indifferent and did not ask us what happened."

He noted that the difficult event would not prevent him from continuing to support his team. "We will continue to travel around Europe; we shouldn't give these people a victory, but the countries hosting us need to provide a more serious response. Unfortunately, we still need that in 2024."