Pogrom In Amsterdam, El Al Adds Emergency Shabbos Flights

[Proisrael]

Lets assume for a second that they did the wrong thing and the Rabanim paskened wrong. The chutzpah to come on a public forum and bash a rav for a psak is 100% the wrong thing to do and you should seek tshuva from a competent rav.

I am sure you would have had issues with the kindertransport in Europe as well when they traveled on shabbos. Or all the soldiers that went to Otef Gaza on October 7th. A chillul Shabbos bfarhesya going in a car to travel and shoot guns on shabbos and Y"t.

go back to your hole or basement.

[kosherjid]

Kenny Rozenberg (Under son Eli's name)

1. So who pays for the eight EL AL flights to bring home over 2000 Israelis ?
    How much would that be ?  So it seems that Israel is doing well financially,
    if it can pay for this, while in war...
2. Does it make sense, in times of war, while their own brothers are fighting,
    are wounded, widows and orphans, that israelis travel overseas to play
    with a ball ?

       

[yfr bachur]

Lets assume for a second that they did the wrong thing and the Rabanim paskened wrong. The chutzpah to come on a public forum and bash a rav for a psak is 100% the wrong thing to do and you should seek tshuva from a competent rav.

I am sure you would have had issues with the kindertransport in Europe as well when they traveled on shabbos. Or all the soldiers that went to Otef Gaza on October 7th. A chillul Shabbos bfarhesya going in a car to travel and shoot guns on shabbos and Y"t.

go back to your hole or basement.

Relax!
I dont think that anyone doubts that the Rabbanim gave the proper psak for the facts presented to them.

It's all the SM hoppla around it that is open for questioning. Or is this now Covid style TRUTH that no one is allowed to ask questions about?

Israelis went to a football match, by all accounts behaved badly (some were baited, and some were stam stupid), and were then (either premeditated or reaction - honestly doesn't make a difference) chased around for a few hours... Not pleasant but its not like stuff like this NEVER EVER happens between opposing fans of football clubs...

To compare what happened to them to October 07... me thinks little bit of a stretch? (unless you think that the Muslim population in Europe is such an active threat to Jews to the point that many kehilos need to evacuate NOW bec of Pikuach Nefesh?)

[imayid2]

Lets assume for a second that they did the wrong thing and the Rabanim paskened wrong. The chutzpah to come on a public forum and bash a rav for a psak is 100% the wrong thing to do and you should seek tshuva from a competent rav.

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If a Rabbi allows chilul shabbos bifarhesya then it’s appropriate to publicly decry it.

[yfr bachur]

1. So who pays for the eight EL AL flights to bring home over 2000 Israelis ?
    How much would that be ?  So it seems that Israel is doing well financially,
    if it can pay for this, while in war...
2. Does it make sense, in times of war, while their own brothers are fighting,
    are wounded, widows and orphans, that israelis travel overseas to play
    with a ball ?

1. Likely some combination of the Govt, ElAL and the pilot/FA unions, possibly also travel insurance cos. Anyway 8 flights is small potatoes to the budgets of all involved
2. Yes. They are allowed to continue what for them is normal life. It's even a respite/escape for them/their fans. Mike Piazza's HR in the first baseball game played in NYC after 9/11 is part of the lore of the recovery from that day. (And if you are going to ask that question- does it make sense that frum people in the US and the EU/UK, in times of war, while their own brothers are fighting, are wounded, widows and orphans are going on vacation, eating in fancy restaurants...??)

[AsherO]

Relax!
I dont think that anyone doubts that the Rabbanim gave the proper psak for the facts presented to them.

It's all the SM hoppla around it that is open for questioning. Or is this now Covid style TRUTH that no one is allowed to ask questions about?

Asking questions and projecting agendas are not the same thing

[imayid2]

Source?

[kosherjid]

1. Likely some combination of the Govt, ElAL and the pilot/FA unions, possibly also travel insurance cos. Anyway 8 flights is small potatoes to the budgets of all involved
2. Yes. They are allowed to continue what for them is normal life. It's even a respite/escape for them/their fans. Mike Piazza's HR in the first baseball game played in NYC after 9/11 is part of the lore of the recovery from that day. (And if you are going to ask that question- does it make sense that frum people in the US and the EU/UK, in times of war, while their own brothers are fighting, are wounded, widows and orphans are going on vacation, eating in fancy restaurants...??)

...oh..so a family eating in a restaurant or going on vacation is the same thing as flying over 2000 israelis overseas to watch whether a piece of leather lands in a hole or not....

[Dan]

...oh..so a family eating in a restaurant or going on vacation is the same thing as flying over 2000 israelis overseas to watch whether a piece of leather lands in a hole or not....

Oh good, it's let's blame our problems on things I didn't like beforehand o'clock.

It's pretty hilarious how the charedi world decided that kuching in politics is 100% kosher, but sports is 100% treif. But hey. everyone needs a hobby.

[ExGingi]

https://x.com/oldbertly/status/1855403591059595743

[LongTimeLurker]

2. Does it make sense, in times of war, while their own brothers are fighting,
    are wounded, widows and orphans, that israelis travel overseas to play
    with a ball ?

       

Yes. The whole point of the army is so that everyone can live a life of normalcy. Believe me when I tell you we are no where near normalcy so if people need to go abroad to decompress (e.g. not have to worry about air raid sirens etc) then gesunthei.

Who are we to decide what people are and are now allowed to do

[dasmo801]

Oh good, it's let's blame our problems on things I didn't like beforehand o'clock.

It's pretty hilarious how the charedi world decided that kuching in politics is 100% kosher, but sports is 100% treif. But hey. everyone needs a hobby.

One has real life implications while the other is nothing more than bittul zman.
Now, figuring out which one is which is the real question...

[Alexsei]

This should go in the halacha thread, is there a requirement to be dan lkaf zchus the state of Israel?

[Chester7]

Oh good, it's let's blame our problems on things I didn't like beforehand o'clock.

It's pretty hilarious how the charedi world decided that kuching in politics is 100% kosher, but sports is 100% treif. But hey. everyone needs a hobby.

I think in the pre-Trump days, you may have been able to differentiate that people look up to sports players. With Trump, that is gone.

[yfr bachur]

...oh..so a family eating in a restaurant or going on vacation is the same thing as flying over 2000 israelis overseas to watch whether a piece of leather lands in a hole or not....

2000 Israelis went on vacation. By your standards thats OK.
Some people like skiing, some like mountain biking, some like swimming, and some like watching if a piece of leather lands in a hole.

[Yehuda57]

...oh..so a family eating in a restaurant or going on vacation is the same thing as flying over 2000 israelis overseas to watch whether a piece of leather lands in a hole or not....

This post is ridiculously wrong. It's a piece of synthetic material landing in a net

[Yehuda57]

https://x.com/dmdebruijn/status/1855594869932097651

[Moshe Green]

Asking questions and projecting agendas are not the same thing

You are welcome to move to Israel and get your kids that you spent 18 years raising b'kedusha and tahara drafted into the army and throw off their kipa.
You are welcome to move here and want to sit and learn but have all the benifits that you pay for with your hard earned tax money be denied to you because you learn Torah.
You are welcome to try to live as a practicing Jew in Israel but if you disagree with the policys and actually protest you get physically beaten up by the police and thrown in jail. and then fined. But not if you block the main highway of Tel Aviv every single M. Shabbos...
You are welcome to move here and be vilified and bashed by the mainstream media EVERYWHERE because you are Chareidi. Chareidim spread Corona. Chareidim are bloodsuckers. Chareidim steal our money...
You are welcome to live in Israel where the government tries to Hijack Yiddishkeit and say that they are the real representatives of Judaism...

Is that my agenda? To speak the truth about the only country in the world that has a "Der Sturmer" attittude towards me and then pretends that they are "saving the Jews from a pogrom"?
They play victim while downing the worst things to destroy Judaism since Stalin...

[aygart]

...oh..so a family eating in a restaurant or going on vacation is the same thing as flying over 2000 israelis overseas to watch whether a piece of leather lands in a hole or not....

From watching.....

Why is that less of a vacation than anything else?

[AsherO]

You are welcome to move to Israel and get your kids that you spent 18 years raising b'kedusha and tahara drafted into the army and throw off their kipa.
You are welcome to move here and want to sit and learn but have all the benifits that you pay for with your hard earned tax money be denied to you because you learn Torah.
You are welcome to try to live as a practicing Jew in Israel but if you disagree with the policys and actually protest you get physically beaten up by the police and thrown in jail. and then fined. But not if you block the main highway of Tel Aviv every single M. Shabbos...
You are welcome to move here and be vilified and bashed by the mainstream media EVERYWHERE because you are Chareidi. Chareidim spread Corona. Chareidim are bloodsuckers. Chareidim steal our money...
You are welcome to live in Israel where the government tries to Hijack Yiddishkeit and say that they are the real representatives of Judaism...

Is that my agenda? To speak the truth about the only country in the world that has a "Der Sturmer" attittude towards me and then pretends that they are "saving the Jews from a pogrom"?
They play victim while downing the worst things to destroy Judaism since Stalin...

That’s not what this thread is about, it’s what you want/think this thread to be about, which is precisely my point.