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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1020 on: March 09, 2015, 09:52:43 AM »
That makes no sense. If the word is rebbe, then it's also adoni and mori. The shorashim are adon, mar, and rav.
Rebbe as a name. Rosh bnei yisroel. Not as rav shelanu, rather rebbe shelanu - rabeinu with a yud

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1021 on: March 09, 2015, 10:00:19 AM »
Rebbe as a name. Rosh bnei yisroel. Not as rav shelanu, rather rebbe shelanu - rabeinu with a yud
I think you can clear the whole confusion by just using Hebrew lol The word רבי does not mean my רב (the way אדוני means my אדון). Rather רבי is a word on its own.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1022 on: March 09, 2015, 10:00:55 AM »
Rebbe as a name. Rosh bnei yisroel. Not as rav shelanu, rather rebbe shelanu - rabeinu with a yud
Except that you can't pluralized a name (nor would you want to pluralize that acronym), so it must be 'our rav'.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1023 on: March 09, 2015, 10:01:44 AM »
can u take this grammar discussion somewhere else... I keep getting excited every time I see action in this thread 😠
« Last Edit: March 09, 2015, 10:17:42 AM by elit »

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1024 on: March 09, 2015, 10:29:13 AM »
I think you can clear the whole confusion by just using Hebrew lol The word רבי does not mean my רב (the way אדוני means my אדון). Rather רבי is a word on its own.
Thanks.
 btw, @freddi, what you wrote about adonasainu is incorrect. Adonaynu with a yud is indeed "our masters". A "sof" is used when the shoresh ends with a hei and is converted to a sof, or by some poalim.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1025 on: March 09, 2015, 10:40:57 AM »
Thanks.
 btw, @freddi, what you wrote about adonasainu is incorrect. Adonaynu with a yud is indeed "our masters". A "sof" is used when the shoresh ends with a hei and is converted to a sof, or by some poalim.
+1
I think your pipik is the one talking :D

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1026 on: March 09, 2015, 10:47:45 AM »
Thanks.
 btw, @freddi, what you wrote about adonasainu is incorrect. Adonaynu with a yud is indeed "our masters". A "sof" is used when the shoresh ends with a hei and is converted to a sof, or by some poalim.
Don't mess with a Dikduk teacher :D

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1027 on: March 09, 2015, 10:50:25 AM »
+1
I think your pipik is the one talking :D
Nope, just your pipik, oh and your buddy's now too.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1028 on: March 09, 2015, 11:06:43 AM »
Thanks.
 btw, @freddi, what you wrote about adonasainu is incorrect. Adonaynu with a yud is indeed "our masters". A "sof" is used when the shoresh ends with a hei and is converted to a sof, or by some poalim.
So... what about my question re:pluralizing an acronym/name?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1029 on: March 09, 2015, 11:11:53 AM »
Who's pluralizing?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1030 on: March 09, 2015, 11:34:59 AM »
Who's pluralizing?
I meant pluralizing the possessive (no idea if that's actually the right grammatical term) part - the נו in רבינו, but when I think about it my question has nothing to do with the plural part, just the possessive part. You explained that רבי is ראש בני ישראל. But if that's the case, why would you ever add נו, making it ראש בני ישראל שלנו - רבינו. If he's ראש בני ישראל, and you're part of בני ישראל, isn't the שלנו superfluous?

ETA: Also, if you're correct, why isn't it רב"ינו? Or is it sometimes written that way?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1031 on: March 09, 2015, 11:45:34 AM »
I meant pluralizing the possessive (no idea if that's actually the right grammatical term) part - the נו in רבינו, but when I think about it my question has nothing to do with the plural part, just the possessive part. You explained that רבי is ראש בני ישראל. But if that's the case, why would you ever add נו, making it ראש בני ישראל שלנו - רבינו. If he's ראש בני ישראל, and you're part of בני ישראל, isn't the שלנו superfluous?

Exactly. Saying ראש בני ישראל שלנו would make as much sense as saying "Our President of The United States". In both case you are giving the subjects to possessors (I don't think I got the grammatical term right but I hope the point is clear).


ETA: Also, if you're correct, why isn't it רב"ינו? Or is it sometimes written that way?
ראש בני ישראל isn't the meaning of the word רבי, it is a רמז in the word.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1032 on: March 09, 2015, 11:57:03 AM »
Freddie teaches dikduk?


There is a famous vort on the הגדה that we tell off the רשע for saying מה העבודה הזאת ״לכם״ but we don't criticize the חכם for saying אשר צוה ה׳ א׳ ״אתכם״.  Why not because the rasha we expect to know dikduk but the Chacham is busy learning torah :)

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1033 on: March 09, 2015, 12:25:11 PM »
What's a pipik?
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