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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1275 on: July 26, 2017, 08:52:55 PM »
The yellow flag contingent does make good Felafel in Tokyo and have lots of eateries in Mexico, but other than that, not much.
Chabad in Tzfas and its environs is...interesting.

You haven't been to Cuzco, Bolivia, India,  and many other places.
Chabad Venice also flies the Yellow flag

Plus you must be forgetting who supplied you with Kosher CY Cheese in the Maldives lol

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1276 on: July 26, 2017, 09:03:54 PM »
Um.. maybe 9:45

What is this anyway?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1277 on: July 26, 2017, 11:36:24 PM »
Didn't say that at all. But that's all I've seen worthwhile from yellow flag unofficial chabad houses across the globe :P
Pretty low of you

This is the minimum way a person should relate to anything chabad related:
I recently moved to Kiryat Shmuel in Haifa. I believe that whatever started in Tzfat has completely taken over this area of Haifa. Dozens of dozens of Lubavitch walk around with Yechi Yarmulkas and all the literature here says shlita on it. Kind of freaks me out but Chabad has done so much for world Jewry tough for me to take a stance.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1278 on: July 26, 2017, 11:55:25 PM »
Pretty low of you

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I don't see the good in the yellow flag movement. Sue me, call me an anti, whatever floats your boat.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1279 on: July 27, 2017, 07:49:07 AM »
Where did you hear that? At what point in the video?
A recurring theme that the Rebbe is the embodiment of G-d in flesh and blood. 9:40, 29:00 and several other places.

I am not at all educated in Toras Chasidus.  To the unintiated litvak, this sounds freighteningly Christain.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1280 on: July 27, 2017, 08:05:35 AM »
Where did you hear that? At what point in the video?
You weren't around in the good days here, but back up thread, the thing that really touched a nerve was the notion that all these various brands of "crazies" didn't start in a vacuum. - they were directly led astray...

Not at all intending to rehash this all, but I do sincerely wish that 20+ years later, some chassidim took a fresh look with an open mind.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1281 on: July 27, 2017, 08:10:18 AM »
Pretty low of you

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Is it that faction which did so much or are they taking advantage of or hiding behind those which did?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1282 on: July 27, 2017, 08:26:30 AM »
You weren't around in the good days here, but back up thread, the thing that really touched a nerve was the notion that all these various brands of "crazies" didn't start in a vacuum. - they were directly led astray...

Not at all intending to rehash this all, but I do sincerely wish that 20+ years later, some chassidim took a fresh look with an open mind.

I wouldn't go so far as to say they were directly led astray, but rather that these things are a logical future outcome and bound to happen. Of course those who went that far are the fringe extreme elements but they did not create the path they only dared to travel on it. This seems to have been the issue with Sabbateanism long before it became clear that he went off the deep end. This seems to have been the issue the Rav Shach had while the Rebbe was still alive. This seems to have been the issue at the beginning of chassidus. (all this in my understanding) When I wrote in other threads that it is possible that the cherem is what kept chassidus in check it is that it may have prevented these types of things from happening sooner.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1283 on: July 27, 2017, 08:29:48 AM »
A recurring theme that the Rebbe is the embodiment of G-d in flesh and blood. 9:40, 29:00 and several other places.

I am not at all educated in Toras Chasidus.  To the unintiated litvak, this sounds freighteningly Christain.
What is that clip anyway?

Can't say I encountered anything like that in my lifetime.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1284 on: July 27, 2017, 08:32:30 AM »
What is that clip anyway?
No idea
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Can't say I encountered anything like that in my lifetime.
He's quoting from the Tzemach Tzedek's and the Rebbe's writtings, among others.  Albeit his interpetation.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1285 on: July 27, 2017, 08:32:36 AM »
What is that clip anyway?

Can't say I encountered anything like that in my lifetime.
The point is these extreme fringes exist and while everyone who is not Lubavitch sees them very clearly many Lubavitchers seem to have their heads in the sand about them as can be seen right here in this thread.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1286 on: July 27, 2017, 08:37:23 AM »
I wouldn't go so far as to say they were directly led astray, but rather that these things are a logical future outcome and bound to happen. Of course those who went that far are the fringe extreme elements but they did not create the path they only dared to travel on it. This seems to have been the issue with Sabbateanism long before it became clear that he went off the deep end. This seems to have been the issue the Rav Shach had while the Rebbe was still alive. This seems to have been the issue at the beginning of chassidus. (all this in my understanding) When I wrote in other threads that it is possible that the cherem is what kept chassidus in check it is that it may have prevented these types of things from happening sooner.
The biggest cause of Jews going away from Judaism was the creation of Judaism. If Abraham never accepted Hashem and the Jews never accepted the Torah there wouldn't be so many people off the derech now.

If only a cherem was made on Jews back then maybe not as many Jews from be fry now?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1287 on: July 27, 2017, 08:38:24 AM »
The biggest cause of Jews going away from Judaism was the creation of Judaism. If Abraham never accepted Hashem and the Jews never accepted the Torah there wouldn't be so many people off the derech now.


A recurring theme that the Rebbe is the embodiment of G-d in flesh and blood. 9:40, 29:00 and several other places.

I am not at all educated in Toras Chasidus.  To the unintiated litvak, this sounds freighteningly Christain.
Anything can be twisted what else is new?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1288 on: July 27, 2017, 08:40:26 AM »
The point is these extreme fringes exist and while everyone who is not Lubavitch sees them very clearly many Lubavitchers seem to have their heads in the sand about them as can be seen right here in this thread.
Who here denied that there are lunatics on the fringe? Especially in Tzfas and the guys they send to CH.

Are there no lunatics in Satmar or Breslov?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1289 on: July 27, 2017, 08:42:06 AM »
Anything can be twisted what else is new?
Esspecially after the fact.

One of my rebbeim who generally gave great mussar schmoozes decided that the holocaust happened because Europe Jewry were all going off the derech and haskala was infiltrating every yeshiva. Old style shtetl Judaism wasn't going to survive. And look everyone came to America and now we have so many frum people. That's why hashem did it.

And I thought he was crazy. But hey maybe he'd right no one can prove him wrong after the fact. He thinks it was the greatest thing in other words.
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