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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1290 on: July 27, 2017, 08:43:39 AM »
Who here denied that there are lunatics on the fringe? Especially in Tzfas and the guys they send to CH.

Are there no lunatics in Satmar or Breslov?
I've a few litvish friends who love mussar and said they would happily commit suicide right now if they knew they would get into gan Eden after. That's a bit loony to me too.  But it's just an offshoot of musar right?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1291 on: July 27, 2017, 08:44:00 AM »
Who here denied that there are lunatics on the fringe? Especially in Tzfas and the guys they send to CH.

Are there no lunatics in Satmar or Breslov?
The differences between their lunacies are night and day very literally.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1292 on: July 27, 2017, 08:46:32 AM »
Esspecially after the fact.

One of my rebbeim who generally gave great mussar schmoozes decided that the holocaust happened because Europe Jewry were all going off the derech and haskala was infiltrating every yeshiva. Old style shtetl Judaism wasn't going to survive. And look everyone came to America and now we have so many frum people. That's why hashem did it.

And I thought he was crazy. But hey maybe he'd right no one can prove him wrong after the fact. He thinks it was the greatest thing in other words.
The meshech chachma wrote it before the holocaust. Rav Shach saw it before it happened.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1293 on: July 27, 2017, 08:48:00 AM »
How is a nutjob NK night and day from a Chabad nutjob?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1294 on: July 27, 2017, 08:53:11 AM »
How is a nutjob NK night and day from a Chabad nutjob?
You don't see the vast difference between NK and these guys on the video the way it is being described here?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1295 on: July 27, 2017, 08:54:33 AM »
Who are these guys on the video??
They're clearly not Lubavitchers.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1296 on: July 27, 2017, 08:57:02 AM »
The meshech chachma wrote it before the holocaust. Rav Shach saw it before it happened.
Can we agree not to start a Rav Shach debate now? I think it was also done in part at least up thread.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1297 on: July 27, 2017, 09:00:31 AM »
Who are these guys on the video??
They're clearly not Lubavitchers.
No true Scotsman? How so?

You didn't answer about seeing a difference.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1298 on: July 27, 2017, 09:01:48 AM »


I wouldn't go so far as to say they were directly led astray, .

As a non chabadsker, you should please properly study the Torah, the directives, and the actions of the leadership. - I doubt you have properly done this. - an unbiased person would objectively see the truth. - there are hundreds of strange and suspect sayings, actions that directly caused the confusion.etc etc. Etc.

I would guess that your familiarity of chabad world view is limited to what you heard from the opposition.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1299 on: July 27, 2017, 09:03:53 AM »

As a non chabadsker, you should please properly study the Torah, the directives, and the actions of the leadership. - I doubt you have properly done this. - an unbiased person would objectively see the truth. - there are hundreds of strange and suspect sayings, actions that directly caused the confusion.etc etc. Etc.

I would guess that your familiarity of chabad world view is limited to what you heard from the opposition.
An unbiased person would objectively see the truth.

Hear hear.

I doubt you have properly done this.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1300 on: July 27, 2017, 09:04:17 AM »
No true Scotsman? How so?

You didn't answer about seeing a difference.
I didn't watch the video at length, but are these guys discussing what's wrong with Chasidus by twisting what the tzemach tzedek wrote or are they actually believing that?

If they actually believe that then it's shocking that they don't have untouched beards, which is a basic requirement to be a Chabad chosid.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1301 on: July 27, 2017, 09:05:02 AM »
I didn't watch the video at length, but are these guys discussing what's wrong with Chasidus by twisting what the tzemach tzedek wrote or are they actually believing that?

If they actually believe that then it's a but shocking they don't have untouched beards, which is a basic requirement to be a Chabad chosid.
And likely a diorisah according to the tzemach tzedek iirc
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1302 on: July 27, 2017, 09:06:11 AM »
And likely a diorisah according to the tzemach tzedek iirc
And if you believe the TT was some sort of flesh and blood Gd (C"V) how much more so should they listen to his edicts  ;D
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1303 on: July 27, 2017, 09:10:13 AM »
You don't see the vast difference between NK and these guys on the video the way it is being described here?

Also, NK isn't satmer.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1304 on: July 27, 2017, 09:10:58 AM »
And if you believe the TT was some sort of flesh and blood Gd (C"V) how much more so should they listen to his edicts  ;D

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