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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #165 on: February 07, 2012, 03:16:10 PM »
I dont understand your obsession with R Shach believe me had the rebbe said the same about R Shach we wouldnt have cared much and certainly not still today, why the insecurity about the rebbe from his own followers ?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #166 on: February 07, 2012, 03:18:08 PM »
I dont understand your obsession with R Shach believe me had the rebbe said the same about R Shach we wouldnt have cared much and certainly not still today, why the insecurity about the rebbe from his own followers ?

Right. We get together all the time and mope about what R' Shach said about our Rebbe ::)

It was specifically stated as a response to a question, otherwise I don't think anyone in the Chabad community gives it much thought.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #167 on: February 07, 2012, 03:20:13 PM »
there are clearly very strong feelings here judging from the responses

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #168 on: February 07, 2012, 03:20:54 PM »
I remember when RAV shach was niftar the local chabad yeshiva where I was living made a huge party that night.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #169 on: February 07, 2012, 03:21:39 PM »
there are clearly very strong feelings here judging from the responses

Strong feelings when we think about what was said, but we don't spend much time thinking about it.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #170 on: February 07, 2012, 03:24:40 PM »
to me it looks like insecurities and this might explain the whole chabad in your face mehalech come to think of it

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #171 on: February 07, 2012, 03:29:17 PM »
I'm not sure what your point is. The vort is silly quite frankly.

Most people acknowledge that the Rebbe was a great man, an ohev yisroel, and a scholar.

People go crazy that lubavitchers believe that the Rebbe could be moshiach, but quite frankly 99.9% of lubavitchers would be just fine if someone else turned out to me moshiach, just like 99.9% of misnagdim would accept the Rebbe if he appeared today and was revealed to be moshiach.

The real bottom line is who cares what everyone else thinks and why are rabbis cursing out lubavitchers for their thoughts?  There is plenty of basis in torah for thoughts that someone could be moshiach, thus the cursing out is uncalled for.
The 2nd B"H was destroyed from sinas chinam.  How about a little bit of Ahavas Chinum as the Rebbe often called for, and surely we will merit to see moshiach, whomever he may be, as soon as today!

I agree with you 100%. (but not that the Vort is silly) why argue? We should all get along with each other, sing, dance, drink with each other and then Moshiach will really come! Lehavdil, not to quote Rodney King.

We should not talk, or type, bad things about other Jews, and especially other people's leaders.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #172 on: February 07, 2012, 03:34:23 PM »
The answer to the question about Shach ...

And don't think shach only

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #173 on: February 07, 2012, 03:36:32 PM »
I agree with you 100%. (but not that the Vort is silly) why argue? We should all get along with each other, sing, dance, drink with each other and then Moshiach will really come! Lehavdil, not to quote Rodney King.

We should not talk, or type, bad things about other Jews, and especially other people's leaders.
+1 Very good, so now we are cursing each other out, saying negative things about large groups of people, being mevazeh gedolim, Dan i begged you to stop this thread, i'm gonna ask you again, shut it down, it's not making anyone smarter, it's sinas chinam.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #174 on: February 07, 2012, 03:37:10 PM »
I remember when RAV shach was niftar the local chabad yeshiva where I was living made a huge party that night.
I have seen/heard similar sentiments but I do not believe they are the norm. (Also, the Lubavitchers throw huge parties every time someone sneezes, so it wasn't necessarily for that.)
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #175 on: February 07, 2012, 03:40:51 PM »
I have seen/heard similar sentiments but I do not believe they are the norm. (Also, the Lubavitchers throw huge parties every time someone sneezes, so it wasn't necessarily for that.)
No they told me specificly it was B/c rav shach was niftar. (And btw dan has been to this rosh yeshivas house).
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #176 on: February 07, 2012, 03:41:24 PM »
dan closing down this thread will not make you look weak or incapable of defending your hashgafa ,if you dont close it will get out of hand

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #177 on: February 07, 2012, 03:42:26 PM »
No they told me specificly it was B/c rav shach was niftar. (And btw dan has been to this rosh yeshivas house).
Care to be more specific?
At any rate lubavitchers also threw parties when the rebbe himself died, so I'm not sure what we're trying to prove.

You wouldnt trust hashem? (I mean the real creator not the rebbe)
Are you for real?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #178 on: February 07, 2012, 03:43:32 PM »
dan closing down this thread will not make you look weak or incapable of defending your hashgafa ,if you dont close it will get out of hand
It would not make him look weak. It will make him a mature leader, capable of making smart unpopular decisions.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #179 on: February 07, 2012, 03:49:49 PM »
believe me had the rebbe said the same about R Shach we wouldnt have cared much and certainly not still today, why the insecurity about the rebbe from his own followers ?
That's exactly the point.
The Rebbe would never say such things about an "am ha'aretz", let alone a "gadol"