i havent had a chance to reply to a few things that i wanted to make clear in order that i dont get accused and it shouldnt be taken in the wrong way, because it seems some people have a hard to time understanding things. - (sorry for bringing the subject back again - but im a diff time zone)
the Rebbe never ever said a bad word about him, [and he even blessed him with long life! (he lived till 107).]
thats simply not true
Please provide proof to what you are saying (just like you wanted proof the
other way around otherwise please dont say it.)
Even if R' Shach ZATZAL will be moshiach?
just a small question that has to do with insecurity etc... why do u stress zatzal? u can just write it regularly, what are you trying to prove here? or are you just making it caps to show "in your face" type of thing.
i understand that you respect him and i have nothing against you on that. and i cant blame you otherwise cuz i would do the same thing if my Rebbe C"V said something horrible about someone else i would say thats the way it is. theres only ONE problem: which is the Lubavitcher Rebbe would never say such a thing about
anyone.
i only have tainos on him, why did he say that against the rebbe!
now regarding Moshiach - let me make this clear for everyone, i agree with Dan 100% and i quote him:
"If he gathers all the jews in Israel and performs the signs that he is moshiach then so be it. I would then ask Eliyahu how could a man who had so much sinas chinum turn out to be moshiach, but to think that would hinder his acceptance is foolhardy." theres only one problem, that i dont think someone that has sinas Chinum and says what he says qualifies to be Moshiach.
And if the lubavitcher rebbe will be moshiach I'll ask Eliyahu How a rebbe Like that (I wont go into details) could be moshiach.
thats because you simply cant, and you are just answering back like a child that has nothing to say, so you are repeating what Dan said just the other way around.
please bring some basis to what you are saying.
thats completely missing the point. lets say he was a kohen, would chabad accept him? im sure some would (like dan) but for sure many wont, like cbs
?? what makes you think so? i saay like i said above in this post, that if (
in inyan geredt)he is Moshiach than obviously i will accept it. i just personally think that, that if wont happen, besides for the fact that he doesnt qualify halachakly. (and pls save your breath and dont tell me the Rebbe doesnt qualify halachikly because that simply isnt true)
i think he already did when he called him a rasha which besides for being quite a stupid and assur thing to say was hypocritical
i never stated my opinion on who is moshiach and who i would accept. the only thing i said that he acted in the ways of a rasha by saying what he said (especially about a tzadik). and the only thing you can imply from here which is what i believe, that someone that falls into the category of saying something like a rasha would say than he cant be Moshiach. - but i never said if he was moshiach i wouldnt accept, on the contrary i would (why wouldnt anyone?) but practically speaking its irrelevant if i would or wouldn't.
why was it a stupid thing to say, and why was it hypocritical??
i liked his answer except for the part where he accused rav shach of having sinas chinum (that is not for us to say and definitely not in public like this.
and as for cbs i was being mocheh for kovod torah and he is welcome to answer back
you are saying i accused him as if i need to bring proof of what he did. its clear from all the proofs brought here on the forum (texts/videos - and if u cant find them google them) and much more proof that it was sinas chinum so im just stating a fact.
secondly whats worng with mentioning something in public about someone that said something horrible about my rebbe - IN PUBLIC
and as for kovod hatora, i will agree with you that he was way more learned then me and knew/learned a lot of torah and but that doesnt change facts of life!
From my view anyone, I don't care how great, learned, and holy someone is, but if they baselessly call my flavor of Orthodox Judaism a “cult” and "the religion closest to Judaism" and my rebbe "the madman who sits in New York and drives the whole world crazy" then I will say that person is spewing sinas chinum.
And don't think shach only had hateful things to say about chabad, he also saved plenty of it for many other gedolim and learned rabbis. For a gadol to say such hateful statements in public about so many other rabbis and fellow jews is practically unheard of.
Still, if he were moshiach I would gladly accept G-ds will, but I would definitely line up to ask Eliyahu to please explain it to me.
+1,000,000
I apologize for offending anyone, but it is extremely difficult to have a calm and rational conversation about someone who calls your Rebbe a madman and your religion a cult and not part of Judaism.
couldnt of said it better!
You wouldnt trust hashem? (I mean the real creator not the rebbe)
do u even realize that you are constantly making a fool out of yourself? this is my 3rd quote to you in this post, and everyone just gets worse then the next!
I dont understand your obsession with R Shach believe me had the rebbe said the same about R Shach we wouldnt have cared much and certainly not still today, why the insecurity about the rebbe from his own followers ?
HAD the rebbe! - Had i jumped off a roof .... what exactly are you proving here?
the Rebbe would
never say something like that never mind a small insult he would never say.