Messianism among Lubavitch

[moish]

i have a question.

i was just speaking to a friend of mine and he mentioned  that the rebbe once sang in public, "kein bakodesh chazisicha, liros UZI UCHVODI"

is this true?

[Avid Reader]

Yes, it is. It's on tape.

[Hudi]

i have a question.

i was just speaking to a friend of mine and he mentioned  that the rebbe once sang in public, "kein bakodesh chazisicha, liros UZI UCHVODI"

is this true?

The words were "Liros nafshi uchvodi" and before anyone gets all trigger happy the Rebbe explained the song many times as being a two way street between us and hashem. Although the song is about us seeking out hashem there are times that hashem needs to seeks us out, wake us up and give us the strength to seek him out in return. In Chasidus it's referred to an "Esrusa De'leila"  loosely translated as an inspiration from above.

[jj1000]

there was a video on youtube a while ago. it was basically a 20 minute rant against r' shach. it has since been removed. anticipating its removal, i downloaded it to my computer. its about 18mb. not sure how i can share.

but i do appreciate your brazenness. generally, its difficult (and a tad foolish) to be confident about something someone didnt say

This is completely off topic. Both sides have already agreed to stop the mud slinging etc. If you intend on pursuing this discussion of the rebbe and rav shach please create a new thread.

[AsherO]

This is completely off topic. Both sides have already agreed to stop the mud slinging etc. If you intend on pursuing this discussion of the rebbe and rav shach please create a new thread.

I don't think such a thread should be allowed. Go to ChabadTalk or some other forum, this is DansDeals.

[mclovin]

I don't think such a thread should be allowed. Go to ChabadTalk or some other forum, this is DansDeals.

but it could be dealing with the issue.

all kidding aside i agree though

[jj1000]

I don't think such a thread should be allowed. Go to ChabadTalk or some other forum, this is DansDeals.

I don't want to disagree but this is just shmooze and if it's not against the T&C I don't see why someone can't post what they want. It may be pointless because this IS the wrong venue for such talk but to not allow it would be up to the mods.

[moish]

This is completely off topic. Both sides have already agreed to stop the mud slinging etc. If you intend on pursuing this discussion of the rebbe and rav shach please create a new thread.

if you will notice, i was responding to a question directed to me.

i also wouldnt classify my post as of the mud slinging variety. all of my posts on the subject have been civil.

[jj1000]

if you will notice, i was responding to a question directed to me.

i also wouldnt classify my post as of the mud slinging variety. all of my posts on the subject have been civil.

1. Rav shach never should have been brought to this thread in the first place. So do two wrongs make a right? 2. I didn't say that you should not have responded to cbs. I said if you plan on pursuing this topic than you should start a new thread. 3.I said "mud slinging" that does not mean not in a civil way but rather bringing up something bad about someone. For example implying the rebbe called himself gd or what ever it was you were implying with your question that I very well could have misunderstood. 4. I said etc. meaning anything at all not having to do with the op's question didn't belong here.

[Cbs]

there was a video on youtube a while ago. it was basically a 20 minute rant against r' shach. it has since been removed. anticipating its removal, i downloaded it to my computer. its about 18mb. not sure how i can share.

but i do appreciate your brazenness. generally, its difficult (and a tad foolish) to be confident about something someone didnt say

very hard for me to believe that something like that ever happened. but if u say so, then i would like to ask you to send it to me if you dont mind.
u can upload to dropbox and send me a link or other ways theres to send videos - PM me if you're interested.
and just saying, that if you refuse to share then its kind of worthless that you just said there was a video and deleted bec. than theres no proof.

[AsherO]

very hard for me to believe that something like that ever happened. but if u say so, then i would like to ask you to send it to me if you dont mind.
u can upload to dropbox and send me a link or other ways theres to send videos - PM me if you're interested.
and just saying, that if you refuse to share then its kind of worthless that you just said there was a video and deleted bec. than theres no proof.

If anyone can determine when that video was from, I'd appreciate that information as well.

[jj1000]

If anyone can determine when that video was from, I'd appreciate that information as well.

AsherO going ot  I believe the video he is referring to if when a messenger of rav shach asked the rebbe about not sleeping in the sukka. Or when the rebbe implied that rav shachs tefilin were not kosher. The rebbe never called him by name as far as I know

[moish]

i found a repost. here it is

remember, my point isnt that what the rebbe said about r' shach was on the same level as what r' shach said about the rebbe, i was only responding to this:

the Rebbe never ever said a bad word about him, and he even blessed him with long life! (he lived till 107).

which i pointed out was not true

[moish]

For example implying the rebbe called himself gd or what ever it was you were implying with your question that I very well could have misunderstood.

yes, you misundertood. my intent was not to imply such a thing. i was merely trying to find out if what my friend told me was true. thats all

[gozalim]

AsherO going ot  I believe the video he is referring to if when a messenger of rav shach asked the rebbe about not sleeping in the sukka. Or when the rebbe implied that rav shachs tefilin were not kosher. The rebbe never called him by name as far as I know

20 minutes has got to be the sukkah question. while it may be heated no one is mentioned by name. IIRC the Rebbe was attacking the question as being provocational and spoke negatively about 'whoever' asked the question and attempted to stir up unrest. I believe if you watch the video the attack is more about the question.

also I'd be more surprised if there was something like that at farbrengen (public) as opposed to Dollars