cbs, when you say that most believe #2, are you saying the he must be moshiach or that he could be? when speaking to a chabad friend of mine, he told me he believes the rebbe was the most qualified. in his opinion, but was open to the idea that it might be someone else
i meant that Lubavitchers say he is for the reason that is being stated around here, that A. he's our Rebbe and we (as in this generation) had/have a very special connection which is hard to be explained if someone is not Lubavitch (even though i can try to explain but some will take it in the wrong way, so therefore i wont.) and B. in our eyes he fits the category the best. - but i dont want to discuss this either like AsherO said that "What is Moshiach is beyond this thread" and i dont want to get into the discussion of who is Moshiach etc..because thats not the point and it will never end either (no offense but its a fact, if you're not Lubavitch you wont agree with any reason i give for the Rebbe being Moshiach)
The point of my Post was to clarify the situation for the OP that he should get a clearer picture of the "politics" that are in Chabad these days, and shouldnt take it in a wrong way, because as Dan said that many Chabad houses that do say Yechi etc... turns people down from chabad - even though it may bring some people closer but those people only know of Chabad as "the rebbe is Moshiach" and
thats it (because thats all they're taught)
i personally have a few stories of different people that when i wanted to put Teffilin on them they started cursing out Chabad and giving all sorts of names because they got turned away from the Meshichistim. so i dont want the OP to think that way, so i try clarifying it.
He CAN be moshiach? He is!
PM me to discuss
your post is exactly what we all need to start a massive argument - i think if you have an opinion on the "Situation" - NOT who is Moshiach - than please share otherwise it's useless to say what you said cuz it sounds as if you're trying to convince people here that and someone that doesnt believe it wont get convinced - since to believe such a thing you have to come to it on your own by having a connection to the Rebbe etc... any Jo-shmo in the street wont get it.
Thanks for your detailed response CBS! I'll read through it again when I have more time, and post some follow up questions.
I appreciate your honesty and willingness to discuss.
Anytime, as long as we're all friends! (especially since you helped pack russian food at tzemach tzdek on Lee rd.
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Not necessarily does reuvens' rosh yeshiva "hate" lubavitch. I would assume that he is someone that reuven respects a lot so speaking about his rosh yeshiva negatively will do exactly the opposite of showing that chabad is not kefirah...
i personally will have to disagree with you on that. it sounds to me that he has some sort of hate or bad eye towards Chabad in general and i know more than a few people that went to learn in yeshivos in israel and came out disliking chabad specifically because their rav told them they shouldnt go there and some even say they cursed out Chabad.
i never understood those Rabbis and i think its 100% wrong what they are doing (not because im Chabad) but because its another jew and just because he disagrees (or jealous) with some things Chabad says it doesnt mean chabad is bad people!
while the rebbe was alive there was a strong emotional attachment to his chassidim and he sort of led them on so it was somewhat excusable for them to believe, but once he died it is plain silly to believe and now it has become more of a cult but i spoke to many respected chabad chassidim who strongly believe they made a big mistake and are embarassed by the whole moshiach thing
Can you please elaborate on what you said? what do you mean that they feel embarrassed...? like what did they beleive exactly b4 that is diff now? do u mean they said Yechi b4 but now they will never?
Every Chabad Chossid between '92 and '94 said Yechi - becuase the rebbe wasnt feeling well and as i stated in previous posts that they all believed that he is Moshiach.
why dont any other chassidim think their rebbe is moshiach and based on age i dont think dan ever had a rebbe chossid relationship so he definintely doesnt know what that is witch is a tragic outcome of this nonesense that they never appointed another rebbe
i may be wrong here, but i think that the connection with the Chassidim to the Lubavitcher Rebbe and how people looked (and respected) him, was and still is, totally different than other chassidim to their Rebbes. and you may say that since im Chabad im saying this, but not true. if you look at many other Chassidim and even other rebbes - forget frum people
even non religious people (incl. many prime ministers of israel) Respected the Rebbe in such a way that no other Rebbe had.
never mind that you wont find a Chabad chossid ask a bracha from a diff rebbe, but you forsure do see many and i mean many other chassidim that asked and still ask brachos from the Lubavitcher rebbe!
so there is something there.....
and as for what u say about that "dan never HAD a relationship..." - here is where you misunderstood MAJORLY.
After '94 the connection between the Chassidim didnt lessen any more. just because there is a physical concealment it doesnt mean anything else is different. and if you would learn Chassidus (especially תורת מנחם חלק א) you will see how the rebbe discusses the Connection to a rebbe after his Passing - he was referring to the previous Rebbe.
and besides what do u know about Dan's hiskashrus?!
EDIT: i bolded the part i fgt to mention. which makes you sound pretty absurd when saying such a thing! the reason you say this, is because you dont know who the Lubavitcher rebbe is/was. and if you would only know, then you would understand why noone was appointed a new Rebbe because there is noone in the world now that can qualify and be at the same standard as the Lubavitcher Rebbe (no offense to any other Rebbe). and in general all the Chabad rebbeim were all from one house (beis harav) and just to point out that the rebbe had no kids either.
Because this is our Rebbe. This is the Rebbe I saw with my own two eyes. This is the Rebbe who taught us torah from his own mouth for decades, who loved every single jew more than any other person could possibly comprehend. This is the Rebbe who made miracles happen to thousands of people as if they were nothing, foretold countless people's futures, who did for my own family before he passed away and even managed to help save my own brother's life after he passed away.
+100
"why dont any other chassidim think their rebbe is moshiach"
They do, that's the very nature of a rebbe-chosid relationship, whether they choose to publicize it or not.
im not so sure that they do.
