Messianism among Lubavitch

[Drago]

He explains the 2

Thx, hadn't read that.
I'd think that those insisting he's dead wouldn't be considered 'extreme', but I guess in relation to those who are more ambivalant, the term might fit.

[Dan]

Really depends where.
For whatever reason Israel produces nearly all of the real extremists these days.

Ask 100 folks in a OOT anash community today  (come try it in CLE/DTW/PIT when you're here next) )if the rebbe is physically alive and I'd be surprised if you got 1 affirmative response.

That he can be mochiach most would agree, but that he has to be moshiach would be few and far between. At least OOT.

In CH and especially in Israel it's another story.

[Drago]

In CH and especially in Israel it's another story.

You think that's b/c ppl who believe it would be uncomfortable living outside of Israel/CH, and therefore they congregate together?
Or is it that 'out of towners' are more exposed to other streams of frumkeit and have problems wrapping their mind around it?

[Baruch]

Really depends where.
For whatever reason Israel produces nearly all of the real extremists these days.

Ask 100 folks in a OOT anash community today  (come try it in CLE/DTW/PIT when you're here next) )if the rebbe is physically alive and I'd be surprised if you got 1 affirmative response.

That he can be mochiach most would agree, but that he has to be moshiach would be few and far between. At least OOT.

In CH and especially in Israel it's another story.

Are you backing away from this statement?

How egotistical one must be, to presume they know the thoughts of an entire sect.
Newsflash: Nobody thinks that only he can be moshiach or that he must be moshiach to the exclusion of anyone else.  100% of lubavitchers would accept anyone revealed to be moshiach as I've said many times.

[jj1000]

If something is fact how can there be an opposing opinion?

You are correct, unfortunately you just have the wrong facts. As can be seen when reading through this thread.

If you don't bring sources and you have no interest in having an open conversation than why bother posting here? Do you think it'll help your cause? Sounding arrogant and putting others down only hurts what you want to accomplish.

Seriously you can't respect someone ones opinion that differs from you?

Are you backing away from this statement?

Elokistim live in CH...

[DP7]

You are correct, unfortunately you just have the wrong facts. As can be seen when reading through this thread.

Again. If it's a fact it's not wrong. And if it's wrong it's not a fact.

[Achas Veachas]

In CH and especially in Israel it's another story.

Israel is seriously polarizing on the extremes and they just get more extreme with time. On the one hand you have Elokistn and the Guf Gashmi folks and on the other hand you have those calling for a Dor Hashmini already...

[jj1000]

Again. If it's a fact it's not wrong. And if it's wrong it's not a fact.

You are trying to be witty and it's cute. But see my post edit. I don't know what you are trying to accomplish posting here.

If you don't bring sources and you have no interest in having an open conversation than why bother posting here? Do you think it'll help your cause? Sounding arrogant and putting others down only hurts what you want to accomplish.

Seriously you can't respect someone ones opinion that differs from you?

I thought this thread was locked for good reason.

[DP7]

You are trying to be witty and it's cute. But see my post edit. I don't know what you are trying to accomplish posting here.

I thought this thread was locked for good reason.

I don't have a cause. I was commenting on someone's use of the terms facts and opinions interchangeably regardless of my thoughts on this individual topic.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

If something is fact how can there be an opposing opinion?

If you have facts please provide verification.

[Dan]

Are you backing away from this statement?

No, because all would accept anyone as moshiach if he proved himself.

[Achas Veachas]

Again. If it's a fact it's not wrong. And if it's wrong it's not a fact.

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[jj1000]

I don't have a cause. I was commenting on someone's use of the terms facts and opinions interchangeably regardless of my thoughts on this individual topic.

Seriously? You weren't commenting at all on this topic?

You made a comment that made it seem you were. Hence all the replies you received.

Facts can be taken in many different ways. And people will come out with different beliefs based on the same facts. That seems obvious to me.

If you have facts please provide verification.

I don't think he's saying he has facts for the purposes of this thread, he was commenting on a nuance of a quote he replied to.

[DP7]

Seriously? You weren't commenting at all on this topic?

You made a comment that made it seem you were.

I originally did make a comment, but then moved past it because as you said there's no point. The second was not related to my first.  To be honest I wish all threads on the forums related to anything other than deals/credit cards/trips etc. didn't exist as I don't find them to be productive and regret opening them. Need to have more self control.

[Dan]

Let's keep this thread constructive or it'll go back into the depths.