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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #900 on: February 04, 2015, 09:58:37 PM »

Quote from: MeirS on February 04, 2015, 07:36:30 PM
Duh

How do you randomly select one banana out of 30 bananas?
hey hey take it easy, I'm just trying to wrap my head around this idea
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #901 on: February 04, 2015, 10:28:15 PM »
Quote from: normaly2345 on February 04, 2015, 09:53:43 PM
Regarding if the Rebbe moshiach there is two points.  Number one according to halacha and number two What's explained ע"פ חסידות.  According to halacha the rambam sets a criteria who could be bchezkas moshiach and who his moshiach vaday. According to halacha the Rebbe could only be bchezkas moshiach and not moshiach vaday. But according to how it's explained in chassidus and the Rebbe's Torah what moshiach,  Geulah, nassi and Rebbe is all about, its very clear that the Rebbe is moshiach.
And therefore for some one that didn't learn in chassidus regarding these things, it will be very hard to understand how the Rebbe is  moshiach . (I have heard from many so called "anti's" that according halacha not for sure, but ע"פ חסידות for sure.)
Not sure what you're saying. That according to Chassidus the Rebbe has a Geder of Moshiach Vadai? That the Hergesh of a Chossid is that the Rebbe will definitely be Moshiach?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #902 on: February 04, 2015, 10:31:06 PM »
As said and confirmed earlier, in most chassidus they believe their rebbe to be moshiach.
Nothing unique about Chabad here except the desire by some of spreading that.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #903 on: February 04, 2015, 10:32:04 PM »
Quote from: MosheD on February 04, 2015, 08:58:15 PM
Just for pure critical sake, (I'm sure your stories are amazing and show hashgacha pratis) but hee goofa!
This can probably be done with anything, as long as one has the right intentions and mindset. I vaguely recall stories of tzaddikim (not even sure if litvak or chassidish but I'm going to assume the latter) doing this with a tanach. It's all about the interpretation.
I guess we need a thread for pre and post gimmel tamuz miracle stories...
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #904 on: February 04, 2015, 10:35:10 PM »
Quote from: Dan on February 04, 2015, 10:32:04 PM
I guess we need a thread for pre and post gimmel tamuz miracle stories...
I give it a half a page before the popcorn is knee high... :P
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #905 on: February 04, 2015, 10:36:13 PM »
Like Achas said, אין מערבין פופקורן בפופקורן, nevertheless, I think it's interesting hashgacha pratis that right now there's a thread going on about who can you trust and how to have a rating system in place to vouch for reputation.

Hmmm.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #906 on: February 04, 2015, 10:37:17 PM »
Quote from: Freddie on February 04, 2015, 10:36:13 PM
Like Achas said, אין מערבין פופקורן בפופקורן, nevertheless, I think it's interesting hashgacha pratis that right now there's a thread going on about who can you trust and how to have a rating system in place to vouch for reputation.

Hmmm.
Precisely...
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #907 on: February 04, 2015, 10:43:58 PM »
Quote from: Achas Veachas on February 04, 2015, 05:10:30 PM
Just like the many DDFers who went to the Ohel to get engaged...
IINM there's a DDFer there right now  ;D
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #908 on: February 04, 2015, 10:44:46 PM »
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #909 on: February 04, 2015, 11:30:11 PM »
I believe I posted up thread about igros and how Mordechai used bibliomancy in the Purim story.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #910 on: February 04, 2015, 11:32:39 PM »
Quote from: Dan on February 04, 2015, 10:32:04 PM
I guess we need a thread for pre and post gimmel tamuz miracle stories...
Can you Explain for us non lubavitchers
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #911 on: February 04, 2015, 11:36:58 PM »
Quote from: normaly2345 on February 04, 2015, 09:53:43 PM
Regarding if the Rebbe moshiach there is two points.  Number one according to halacha and number two What's explained ע"פ חסידות.  According to halacha the rambam sets a criteria who could be bchezkas moshiach and who his moshiach vaday. According to halacha the Rebbe could only be bchezkas moshiach and not moshiach vaday. But according to how it's explained in chassidus and the Rebbe's Torah what moshiach,  Geulah, nassi and Rebbe is all about, its very clear that the Rebbe is moshiach.
And therefore for some one that didn't learn in chassidus regarding these things, it will be very hard to understand how the Rebbe is  moshiach . (I have heard from many so called "anti's" that according halacha not for sure, but ע"פ חסידות for sure.)
According to the Rambam's criteria for chezkas moshiach, the Rebbe wasn't Bechezkas Moshiach either.
ואם יעמוד מלך מבית דויד הוגה בתורה ועוסק במצוות כדויד אביו, כפי תורה שבכתב ושבעל פה, ויכוף כל ישראל לילך בה ולחזק בדקה, ויילחם מלחמות ה'--הרי זה בחזקת שהוא משיח

Nor was anyone since Bar Kochva Bechezkas Moshiach
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #912 on: February 04, 2015, 11:46:24 PM »
Quote from: elit on February 04, 2015, 11:32:39 PM
Can you Explain for us non lubavitchers
Gimmel tammuz is the date the rebbe passed away
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #913 on: February 04, 2015, 11:47:35 PM »
Quote from: ganizzy on February 04, 2015, 11:46:24 PM
Gimmel tammuz is the date the rebbe passed away
That much i know
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #914 on: February 05, 2015, 12:19:41 AM »
Quote from: Dan on February 04, 2015, 10:32:04 PM
I guess we need a thread for pre and post gimmel tamuz miracle stories...
If you start talking about miracle stories give me a ring. I have a few I can post.
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