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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #930 on: February 05, 2015, 10:19:05 AM »
Exactly. As has been said many times it doesn't affect the chabad teachings or how one lives their life one iota. It seems the litvish world made this topic to be a central belief of chabad while chabad themselves don't.

I think that's pushing it a little. If whenever a litvak is in a Chabad house they see pictures of the Rebbe, statements and banners of yechi, etc... Everywhere (including in one instance for myself seeing his picture prominently displayed in front of the chazans amud) you can't say we are the ones making it central.... And if not for this thread i wouldn't know that many lubavitchers disagree with this approach

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #931 on: February 05, 2015, 10:19:55 AM »
Again look at Bar Kochba he had cheskas moshiach and did not did not destroy amalek, so it would seem that is not a requirement.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #932 on: February 05, 2015, 10:20:10 AM »
I think that's pushing it a little. If whenever a litvak is in a Chabad house they see pictures of the Rebbe, statements and banners of yechi, etc... Everywhere (including in one instance for myself seeing his picture prominently displayed in front of the chazans amud) you can't say we are the ones making it central.... And if not for this thread i wouldn't know that many lubavitchers disagree with this approach

You sound like you've been to verry few Chabad Houses...
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #933 on: February 05, 2015, 10:20:58 AM »
You sound like you've been to verry few Chabad Houses...
That's true i haven't been to many but the few i have...

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #934 on: February 05, 2015, 10:21:11 AM »
It's hard for a chassid to say dead.
That being said, i go to the ohel, we went to the levaya.
So i guess the answer would be yes
So what exactly do you mean by saying yechi?
Seems like you realize he's dead.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #935 on: February 05, 2015, 10:22:24 AM »
I think that's pushing it a little. If whenever a litvak is in a Chabad house they see pictures of the Rebbe, statements and banners of yechi, etc... Everywhere (including in one instance for myself seeing his picture prominently displayed in front of the chazans amud) you can't say we are the ones making it central.... And if not for this thread i wouldn't know that many lubavitchers disagree with this approach

What does that have to do with Moshiach? A person puts up a picture of the Rebbe because it represents his connection to the Rebbe. Hiskashrus to the tzadik IS a central concept in Chabad (and of all Judaism.) Please don't mix that with Moshiach.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #936 on: February 05, 2015, 10:23:06 AM »
Again I'm not arguing that it's central I'm just saying that the many vocal moshiachists are the ones who create the perception (even if they are a minority) not litvaks

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #937 on: February 05, 2015, 10:25:15 AM »
Everywhere (including in one instance for myself seeing his picture prominently displayed in front of the chazans amud)
I've been to hundreds of chabad houses and have never seen that. Which chabad house?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #938 on: February 05, 2015, 10:25:21 AM »
What does that have to do with Moshiach? A person puts up a picture of the Rebbe because it represents his connection to the Rebbe. Hiskashrus to the tzadik IS a central concept in Chabad (and of all Judaism.) Please don't mix that with Moshiach.
I have never seen and (correct me if I'm wrong )dint think i ever will see a different rebbe or gadol prominently positioned so that the chazan is davening in a way that looks like directly at it

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #939 on: February 05, 2015, 10:26:53 AM »
Kgh, queens
Please post a picture of it.
Did you ever ask the rabbi there about it?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #940 on: February 05, 2015, 10:27:28 AM »
Any way i don't think it really matters who created the perception....

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #941 on: February 05, 2015, 10:27:53 AM »
I have never seen and (correct me if I'm wrong )dint think i ever will see a different rebbe or gadol prominently positioned so that the chazan is davening in a way that looks like directly at it
I haven't seen that either...

Again I'm not arguing that it's central I'm just saying that the many vocal moshiachists are the ones who create the perception (even if they are a minority) not litvaks
That I can't argue with and that's the beef of what the centrist Chabadniks have against the extreme Meshichists. As one guy put it "they took such a great Rebbe and made him into such a small Moshiach".
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #942 on: February 05, 2015, 10:28:06 AM »
Please post a picture of it.
Did you ever ask the rabbi there about it?
Dont have a picture... I was once pulled in there for a minyan....

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #943 on: February 05, 2015, 10:29:21 AM »
Dont have a picture... I was once pulled in there for a minyan....
So go in there and take a pic of where exactly said picture is compared to where people daven.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #944 on: February 05, 2015, 10:29:33 AM »
Just had a nice meal with the Rebbe watching me from over my shoulder, sitting at a white table and clapping. I thought I would report it to ya'll.

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