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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #810 on: February 04, 2015, 08:47:44 AM »
He explains the 2
Thx, hadn't read that.
I'd think that those insisting he's dead wouldn't be considered 'extreme', but I guess in relation to those who are more ambivalant, the term might fit.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #811 on: February 04, 2015, 08:53:47 AM »
Really depends where.
For whatever reason Israel produces nearly all of the real extremists these days.

Ask 100 folks in a OOT anash community today  (come try it in CLE/DTW/PIT when you're here next) )if the rebbe is physically alive and I'd be surprised if you got 1 affirmative response.

That he can be mochiach most would agree, but that he has to be moshiach would be few and far between. At least OOT.

In CH and especially in Israel it's another story.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #812 on: February 04, 2015, 09:05:09 AM »
In CH and especially in Israel it's another story.
You think that's b/c ppl who believe it would be uncomfortable living outside of Israel/CH, and therefore they congregate together?
Or is it that 'out of towners' are more exposed to other streams of frumkeit and have problems wrapping their mind around it?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #813 on: February 04, 2015, 09:07:24 AM »
Really depends where.
For whatever reason Israel produces nearly all of the real extremists these days.

Ask 100 folks in a OOT anash community today  (come try it in CLE/DTW/PIT when you're here next) )if the rebbe is physically alive and I'd be surprised if you got 1 affirmative response.

That he can be mochiach most would agree, but that he has to be moshiach would be few and far between. At least OOT.

In CH and especially in Israel it's another story.
Are you backing away from this statement?
How egotistical one must be, to presume they know the thoughts of an entire sect.
Newsflash: Nobody thinks that only he can be moshiach or that he must be moshiach to the exclusion of anyone else.  100% of lubavitchers would accept anyone revealed to be moshiach as I've said many times.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #814 on: February 04, 2015, 09:23:26 AM »
If something is fact how can there be an opposing opinion?
You are correct, unfortunately you just have the wrong facts. As can be seen when reading through this thread.

If you don't bring sources and you have no interest in having an open conversation than why bother posting here? Do you think it'll help your cause? Sounding arrogant and putting others down only hurts what you want to accomplish.

Seriously you can't respect someone ones opinion that differs from you?

Are you backing away from this statement?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #815 on: February 04, 2015, 09:25:02 AM »

You are correct, unfortunately you just have the wrong facts. As can be seen when reading through this thread.

Again. If it's a fact it's not wrong. And if it's wrong it's not a fact.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #816 on: February 04, 2015, 09:26:48 AM »

In CH and especially in Israel it's another story.
Israel is seriously polarizing on the extremes and they just get more extreme with time. On the one hand you have Elokistn and the Guf Gashmi folks and on the other hand you have those calling for a Dor Hashmini already...
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #817 on: February 04, 2015, 09:27:16 AM »
Again. If it's a fact it's not wrong. And if it's wrong it's not a fact.
You are trying to be witty and it's cute. But see my post edit. I don't know what you are trying to accomplish posting here.

If you don't bring sources and you have no interest in having an open conversation than why bother posting here? Do you think it'll help your cause? Sounding arrogant and putting others down only hurts what you want to accomplish.

Seriously you can't respect someone ones opinion that differs from you?

I thought this thread was locked for good reason.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #818 on: February 04, 2015, 09:30:37 AM »

You are trying to be witty and it's cute. But see my post edit. I don't know what you are trying to accomplish posting here.

I thought this thread was locked for good reason.

I don't have a cause. I was commenting on someone's use of the terms facts and opinions interchangeably regardless of my thoughts on this individual topic.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #819 on: February 04, 2015, 09:33:07 AM »
If something is fact how can there be an opposing opinion?
If you have facts please provide verification.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #820 on: February 04, 2015, 09:38:29 AM »
Are you backing away from this statement?
No, because all would accept anyone as moshiach if he proved himself.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #821 on: February 04, 2015, 09:38:42 AM »
Again. If it's a fact it's not wrong. And if it's wrong it's not a fact.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #822 on: February 04, 2015, 09:39:21 AM »
I don't have a cause. I was commenting on someone's use of the terms facts and opinions interchangeably regardless of my thoughts on this individual topic.
Seriously? You weren't commenting at all on this topic?

You made a comment that made it seem you were. Hence all the replies you received.

Facts can be taken in many different ways. And people will come out with different beliefs based on the same facts. That seems obvious to me.

If you have facts please provide verification.
I don't think he's saying he has facts for the purposes of this thread, he was commenting on a nuance of a quote he replied to.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #823 on: February 04, 2015, 09:40:46 AM »
Seriously? You weren't commenting at all on this topic?

You made a comment that made it seem you were.


I originally did make a comment, but then moved past it because as you said there's no point. The second was not related to my first.  To be honest I wish all threads on the forums related to anything other than deals/credit cards/trips etc. didn't exist as I don't find them to be productive and regret opening them. Need to have more self control.


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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #824 on: February 04, 2015, 09:41:50 AM »
Let's keep this thread constructive or it'll go back into the depths.
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