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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #855 on: February 04, 2015, 03:08:11 PM »
That's to discuss the Rebbe's life. His being Moshiach is from the Rambam.
There's a lot more than just that.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #856 on: February 04, 2015, 03:53:30 PM »
Easier to waive flags than learn or ask people to put on tefilin...
It's also easier to flat out, blanketly, denounce a whole group of people whose ideology you disagree with than to recognize what they are doing right. :)

It just happens to be, that generally speaking, the "flaggers" are amongst the most dedicated to learning and mivtzoim and "the Rebbe's inyonim" in general. Of course there are exceptions, but if you look at the average "flagger" bochur you'll find that to be the case.

I have plenty of problems with them and what they do, but I can also recognize what they do right.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #857 on: February 04, 2015, 03:58:26 PM »
You must have experience with different Israelis in 770 than I do.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #858 on: February 04, 2015, 04:00:15 PM »
It's also easier to flat out, blanketly, denounce a whole group of people whose ideology you disagree with than to recognize what they are doing right. :)

It just happens to be, that generally speaking, the "flaggers" are amongst the most dedicated to learning and mivtzoim and "the Rebbe's inyonim" in general. Of course there are exceptions, but if you look at the average "flagger" bochur you'll find that to be the case.

I have plenty of problems with them and what they do, but I can also recognize what they do right.

As one "Chabadsker" to another, this is the point in the farbrengen at which I would throw potato salad at your face.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #859 on: February 04, 2015, 04:04:52 PM »
Alol
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #860 on: February 04, 2015, 04:07:26 PM »
I'm not familiar w/ crown heights politics
Clearly :)

but this guy seems to do a good job calling out...
Yeah, in the same vain as FM does a good job of calling out whoever...

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #861 on: February 04, 2015, 04:09:28 PM »
You must have experience with different Israelis in 770 than I do.
Apparently.

You can't judge them all by the few that make the most noise :)

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #862 on: February 04, 2015, 04:15:53 PM »
Just curious are there any chabadskers around here who ask the rebbe questions through the book?

And how exactly does it work

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #863 on: February 04, 2015, 04:22:27 PM »
Just curious are there any chabadskers around here who ask the rebbe questions through the book?

And how exactly does it work
That practice hardly started with the rebbe.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #864 on: February 04, 2015, 04:25:13 PM »
THANK YOU for reopening this thread , I learned many new things !
and its all credit to OUR VERY OWN , , CHAIM MOSKOWITZ for putting it on his popcorn thread .
a public TRIBUTE to C.M.!!
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #865 on: February 04, 2015, 04:29:24 PM »
THANK YOU for reopening this thread , I learned many new things !
and its all credit to OUR VERY OWN , , CHAIM MOSKOWITZ for putting it on his popcorn thread .
a public TRIBUTE to C.M.!!
Please leave me out of this one. Extremely hard for me to understand any of this.
I just found a new supply of forks!

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #866 on: February 04, 2015, 04:30:01 PM »
That practice hardly started with the rebbe.
what did that answer? :)

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #867 on: February 04, 2015, 04:33:23 PM »
AND credit for EVERYONE for keeping this important topic , peaceful and respectful , there is so much to be learned from this excellent thread. i would move it to the GENERAL ISSUES section. KUDOS TO ALL
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #868 on: February 04, 2015, 04:40:23 PM »
...i would move it to the GENERAL ISSUES section. KUDOS TO ALL
Some people would gain instant 10K status :P
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #869 on: February 04, 2015, 04:52:30 PM »
Just curious are there any chabadskers around here who ask the rebbe questions through the book?

And how exactly does it work
The Rebbe mentioned a few times after the passing of the previous Rebbe, that chasidim should continue writing to the Rebbe, placing it at the ohel, and those who are far away should put it between the pages of the Rebbe's Chassidus and the Rebbe will find how to answer.

That seems to be the source of what some consider a letter on the page of the Rebbe's letters, that they randomly insert their letter to, as an answer to their question.

Although I don't think that is what the Rebbe meant and I wouldn't do this myself, nor would I suggest it to others, I may even discourage it, for those who believe in it, it definitely works.

For this to make sense I'll ask if anyone recalls the story with Reb Mendel Futerfas who sent a letter במחשה from Soviet jail and his wife in London received a letter in response. As well as the gentleman in France who asked the Rebbe (in the 30s) whether he should emigrate to America and the Rebbe told him to write to the previous Rebbe who was in Russia /long story short/ he brought it to the post office who said they couldn't do anything with the letter as there was no mail between the 2 countries and the next morning the guy woke up with a certainty that going to America was the right thing.

PS. There was a famous story about a family in Australia who has a life saving miracle (I think the bit was in hospital dying from cancer) by acting on advice they found in a letter from the Rebbe that they randomly opened to (PM me for the name).

PPS. Whether you would use an encouraging word in a letter as a blessing or if you would actually make decisions with consequences base on it, well, that's each to their own.