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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #940 on: February 05, 2015, 10:27:28 AM »
Any way i don't think it really matters who created the perception....

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #941 on: February 05, 2015, 10:27:53 AM »
I have never seen and (correct me if I'm wrong )dint think i ever will see a different rebbe or gadol prominently positioned so that the chazan is davening in a way that looks like directly at it
I haven't seen that either...

Again I'm not arguing that it's central I'm just saying that the many vocal moshiachists are the ones who create the perception (even if they are a minority) not litvaks
That I can't argue with and that's the beef of what the centrist Chabadniks have against the extreme Meshichists. As one guy put it "they took such a great Rebbe and made him into such a small Moshiach".

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #942 on: February 05, 2015, 10:28:06 AM »
Please post a picture of it.
Did you ever ask the rabbi there about it?
Dont have a picture... I was once pulled in there for a minyan....

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #943 on: February 05, 2015, 10:29:21 AM »
Dont have a picture... I was once pulled in there for a minyan....
So go in there and take a pic of where exactly said picture is compared to where people daven.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #944 on: February 05, 2015, 10:29:33 AM »
Just had a nice meal with the Rebbe watching me from over my shoulder, sitting at a white table and clapping. I thought I would report it to ya'll.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #945 on: February 05, 2015, 10:30:43 AM »
So go in there and take a pic of where exactly said picture is.
Not usually around there during a davening time and am not interested in creating a stir... There is no one here that can confirm?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #946 on: February 05, 2015, 10:32:04 AM »
Not usually around there during a davening time and am not interested in creating a stir... There is no one here that can confirm?

All the Lubavitchers on this thread are kind of skeptical about the metzius you describe. If you live nearby, please snap a picture.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #947 on: February 05, 2015, 10:33:19 AM »
Not usually around there during a davening time and am not interested in creating a stir... There is no one here that can confirm?
Why does it need to be around davening time?

If you see something like that go protest. I know I would.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #948 on: February 05, 2015, 10:34:03 AM »
Likkutei Sichos vol. 16 pp. 304-305 n. 49
Note 49? http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=16076&st=&pgnum=305

And regardless of what you are referring to that means it excludes bar kochba so what is the rambam saying? How does it make sense at all?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #949 on: February 05, 2015, 10:35:00 AM »
Why does it need to be around davening time?

If you see something like that go protest. I know I would.
Not my style... You would create a fight with the rabbi if that was the metzius?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #950 on: February 05, 2015, 10:35:51 AM »
Not my style... You would create a fight with the rabbi if that was the metzius?
Of course.
Frankly I'm skeptical about your claims, but when halacha is broken I wouldn't shy away from correcting it.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #951 on: February 05, 2015, 10:35:56 AM »
Not my style... You would create a fight with the rabbi if that was the metzius?

Yes, I would.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #952 on: February 05, 2015, 10:36:19 AM »
All the Lubavitchers on this thread are kind of skeptical about the metzius you describe. If you live nearby, please snap a picture.
That's how i remember it. would say i am 99 perfect sure that's how it was or at least very close to how i describe it. There's got to b some one here that's been there?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #953 on: February 05, 2015, 10:37:39 AM »
That's how i remember it. would say i am 99 perfect sure that's how it was or at least very close to how i describe it. There's got to b some one here that's been there?
Tuches oifen tish my friend.
You make a strong accusation. Now go prove it.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #954 on: February 05, 2015, 10:38:27 AM »


Of course.
Frankly I'm skeptical about your claims, but when halacha is broken I wouldn't shy away from correcting it.

I'll let the first half of your statement slide 😒 in regards to the second half if it's not going to help i wouldn't start a fight

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #955 on: February 05, 2015, 10:39:33 AM »
Yes, I would.

As would I - though I would NOT say anything if it was not a Chabad House, so I fully understand your unwillingness to confront.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #956 on: February 05, 2015, 10:41:06 AM »
Tuches oifen tish my friend.
You make a strong accusation. Now go prove it.
I probably shouldn't have named the place publicly with out proof... But you all admit there are some pretty crazy moshiachists, elokists etc...  so why is it so crazy that one place has that?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #957 on: February 05, 2015, 10:43:04 AM »
I probably shouldn't have named the place publicly with out proof... But tot ask admit there are some pretty crazy moshiachists elokists etc... It there so why is it so crazy that one place has that?
Please show me a single chabad house ran by a so called "elokist"
Hint: There aren't any.

And as discussed ad nauseum, being a meshichist doesn't violate one iota of halacha.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #958 on: February 05, 2015, 10:44:59 AM »
Please show me a single chabad house ran by a so called "elokist"
Hint: There aren't any.

And as discussed ad nauseum, being a meshichist doesn't violate one iota of halacha.
I am not sure what i said disagreed with that.... Anyway i removed the name of place but you quoted it..

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #959 on: February 05, 2015, 10:45:17 AM »
Do I have to be a Chabad guy to do the letter thing?

I would like to try it as an experiment.
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