Messianism among Lubavitch

[aygart]

It's not about me wanting to believe you, it's about your unwillingness to stand behind your own 'testimony'.
if your going to allege an event, especially one that's quite a חידוש compared to anything anyone else has run into, stand behind your memory.

If your memory is fuzzy, please stop regurgitating it every time this topic comes up. An event that likely never happened, or at best happened very differently than is being described, hardly has any bearing on a reasonable discussion.

It isn't a testimony and has never been meant as more than an illustration.

Do you feel that there are not any fringes at all who have gone too far and/or have gone off the deep end?

[Yehuda57]

It isn't a testimony and has never been meant as more than an illustration.

Do you feel that there are not any fringes at all who have gone too far and/or have gone off the deep end?

So far as to include the 13 ikrim in the siddur?!?!?!

[whYME]

So you are inferring that the first 400 or so posts are worth reading?

No, I was saying that's been far longer than 80 posts since anything new was posted.

[aygart]

So far as to include the 13 ikrim in the siddur?!?!?!

Do you mean that the way it is writeen?

[Dan]

Do you mean that the way it is writeen?

Given that there is no Chabad siddur that has those, your story does strain credibility.

[ExGingi]

Given that there is no Chabad siddur that has those, your story does strain credibility.

Except see page 118 of https://books.google.com/books?id=-UQ2AQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=%D7%A2%D7%A7%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D&f=false

Though AFAIK that wasn't readily available 20 years ago (as pointed out in page 4 of said siddur). It was (re)printed only 8 years ago.

[Yehuda57]

Do you mean that the way it is writeen?

Oh Geez. If you have to explain the joke...

[aygart]

Oh Geez. If you have to explain the joke...

I understood the joke but wasn't sure if it was a joke or a typo.

[aygart]

Given that there is no Chabad siddur that has those, your story does strain credibility.

THen it was something else in the siddur as I mentioned before. This is really getting caught on a very irrelevant point.

[ExGingi]

I understood the joke but wasn't sure if it was a joke or a typo.

Only that it's not that much of a joke, try to print a נוסח אר"י siddur and have י"ג עקרים printed in it, and see how well it is accepted.

[elit]

So you are inferring that the first 400 or so posts are worth reading?

I actually thought the beginning of this thread was very constructive and I leant a lot about the "other" perspective on this

[ExGingi]

I actually thought the beginning of this thread was very constructive and I leant a lot about the "other" perspective on this

Might save that for תשעה באב reading.

[mgarfin]

To go off topic. Chabad has set out that they use נוסח אר"י and all other Chasidim nusach Sfared.
But I think other Chasidim also believe they are Davening Nusach Ari.

[aygart]

To go off topic. Chabad has set out that they use נוסח אר"י and all other Chasidim nusach Sfared.
But I think other Chasidim also believe they are Davening Nusach Ari.

And neither is factually correct

[ExGingi]

To go off topic. Chabad has set out that they use נוסח אר"י and all other Chasidim nusach Sfared.
But I think other Chasidim also believe they are Davening Nusach Ari.

While searching for the קרבן מנחה I posted above, I came across the following interesting article on the topic: http://www.shturem.net/index.php?section=blog_new&article_id=208&lang=hebrew

[high end hobo]

This thread is supposed to be locked for a reason...

[Boruch999]

With all the boats being missed, we are still missing any substantive posts. Despite several attempt to fish for those, it seems like everyone prefers going around in circles around the edges, without discussing substance.

We've gone more than 80 posts since I directly and substantively addressed the article that @mgarfin quoted today, which revived this thread, yet not one post, one way or another, addressed my assertion that the PREMISE which is part of the foundation of the article, is WRONG and should be UNIVERSALLY seen as such.

What is that premise?

[thaber]

Did I accuse you of being unobjective or not having an open mind?
You could have easily done תשובה by posting the appropriate link: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=11489.msg1716547#msg1716547 wouldn't have been to hard to get the link using Google or forum search.

I took it that way. sorry for being choished your chashad. Teshuvah is next month.

You need to answer for the pri tzadik also...

that's a litvishe sefer

[MeirS]

And neither is factually correct

The Sidur we use clearly says on its cover
על פי נוסח האר''י ז''ל
כפי אשר יסד.... כ''ק... מוהר''ר שניאור זלמן נבג''מ בעל התניא והשו''ע

It's the Alter Rebbe's version of נוסח האר''י

[aygart]

The Sidur we use clearly says on its cover
על פי נוסח האר''י ז''ל
כפי אשר יסד.... כ''ק... מוהר''ר שניאור זלמן נבג''מ בעל התניא והשו''ע

It's the Alter Rebbe's version of נוסח האר''י

Exactly. Both are an adaptation of the Ashkenazi siddur to incorporate parts of nusach Ari