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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1230 on: July 25, 2017, 09:02:16 PM »
So you are inferring that the first 400 or so posts are worth reading?
I actually thought the beginning of this thread was very constructive and I leant a lot about the "other" perspective on this

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1231 on: July 25, 2017, 09:03:49 PM »
I actually thought the beginning of this thread was very constructive and I leant a lot about the "other" perspective on this
Might save that for תשעה באב reading.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1232 on: July 25, 2017, 09:06:09 PM »
To go off topic. Chabad has set out that they use נוסח אר"י and all other Chasidim nusach Sfared.
But I think other Chasidim also believe they are Davening Nusach Ari.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1233 on: July 25, 2017, 09:10:27 PM »
To go off topic. Chabad has set out that they use נוסח אר"י and all other Chasidim nusach Sfared.
But I think other Chasidim also believe they are Davening Nusach Ari.
And neither is factually correct
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1234 on: July 25, 2017, 09:28:10 PM »
To go off topic. Chabad has set out that they use נוסח אר"י and all other Chasidim nusach Sfared.
But I think other Chasidim also believe they are Davening Nusach Ari.
While searching for the קרבן מנחה I posted above, I came across the following interesting article on the topic: http://www.shturem.net/index.php?section=blog_new&article_id=208&lang=hebrew
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1235 on: July 25, 2017, 09:58:20 PM »
This thread is supposed to be locked for a reason...

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1236 on: July 26, 2017, 02:07:35 AM »
With all the boats being missed, we are still missing any substantive posts. Despite several attempt to fish for those, it seems like everyone prefers going around in circles around the edges, without discussing substance.

We've gone more than 80 posts since I directly and substantively addressed the article that @mgarfin quoted today, which revived this thread, yet not one post, one way or another, addressed my assertion that the PREMISE which is part of the foundation of the article, is WRONG and should be UNIVERSALLY seen as such.
What is that premise?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1237 on: July 26, 2017, 02:12:12 AM »
Did I accuse you of being unobjective or not having an open mind?
You could have easily done תשובה by posting the appropriate link: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=11489.msg1716547#msg1716547 wouldn't have been to hard to get the link using Google or forum search.
I took it that way. sorry for being choished your chashad. Teshuvah is next month. :)
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1238 on: July 26, 2017, 04:00:42 AM »
And neither is factually correct
The Sidur we use clearly says on its cover
על פי נוסח האר''י ז''ל
כפי אשר יסד.... כ''ק... מוהר''ר שניאור זלמן נבג''מ בעל התניא והשו''ע

It's the Alter Rebbe's version of נוסח האר''י

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1239 on: July 26, 2017, 08:00:37 AM »
The Sidur we use clearly says on its cover
על פי נוסח האר''י ז''ל
כפי אשר יסד.... כ''ק... מוהר''ר שניאור זלמן נבג''מ בעל התניא והשו''ע

It's the Alter Rebbe's version of נוסח האר''י
Exactly. Both are an adaptation of the Ashkenazi siddur to incorporate parts of nusach Ari
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1240 on: July 26, 2017, 08:10:04 AM »
I recently moved to Kiryat Shmuel in Haifa. I believe that whatever started in Tzfat has completely taken over this area of Haifa. Dozens of dozens of Lubavitch walk around with Yechi Yarmulkas and all the literature here says shlita on it. Kind of freaks me out but Chabad has done so much for world Jewry tough for me to take a stance.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1241 on: July 26, 2017, 08:28:49 AM »


... but Chabad has done so much for world Jewry tough for me to take a stance.
לא מדובשך ולא ...

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1242 on: July 26, 2017, 08:48:49 AM »
I recently moved to Kiryat Shmuel in Haifa. I believe that whatever started in Tzfat has completely taken over this area of Haifa. Dozens of dozens of Lubavitch walk around with Yechi Yarmulkas and all the literature here says shlita on it. Kind of freaks me out but Chabad has done so much for world Jewry tough for me to take a stance.
Is it that faction which did so much or are they taking advantage of or hiding behind those which did?
Having been to hundreds of Chabad Houses around the world, I can't even recall a handful where I've seen Yechi yalmulkahs.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1243 on: July 26, 2017, 08:51:19 AM »
לא מדובשך ולא ...
Generally speaking דובשך and the עוקצך are not the coming from the same body in this case...
But even if that were true, is it so poshut considering the crazies haven't done any real damage to klal yisroel?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1244 on: July 26, 2017, 09:40:52 AM »
Is it that faction which did so much or are they taking advantage of or hiding behind those which did?
The yellow flag contingent does make good Felafel in Tokyo and have lots of eateries in Mexico, but other than that, not much.
Chabad in Tzfas and its environs is...interesting.
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