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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #120 on: February 07, 2012, 11:31:33 AM »
If he gathers all the jews in Israel and performs the signs that he is moshiach then so be it.
I would then ask Eliyahu how could a man who had so much sinas chinum turn out to be moshiach, but to think that would hinder his acceptance is foolhardy.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #121 on: February 07, 2012, 11:32:17 AM »
And if the lubavitcher rebbe will be moshiach I'll ask Eliyahu How a rebbe Like that (I wont go into details) could be moshiach.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #122 on: February 07, 2012, 11:32:44 AM »
so not only from tsfat? let the list begin. the crownheights link also mentions a woman in 770 who does this on a regular basis
Wow, a woman from Brooklyn is also a mental patient.  #ShockedITellYou #InOtherNews

Should we start looking for Lakewood nutjobs also and make blogs about them.
This isn't mainstream even one iota, just pure silliness and propaganda.

i only linked the blogger to show that the very person who put them in cherem, himself signed a 'psak din' that the rebbe IS moshiach
Yes, there were some rabbis who believed that doing so would cause the revelation of moshiach.  It didn't.  Moving on...
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #123 on: February 07, 2012, 11:33:29 AM »
And if the lubavitcher rebbe will be moshiach I'll ask Eliyahu How a rebbe Like that (I wont go into details) could be moshiach.
Fair enough.
Again, it seems the "vort" is silly as only a fool wouldn't recognize the signs of the true coming of moshiach.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #124 on: February 07, 2012, 11:34:09 AM »
this type of banter is what brings this thread down. there shouldnt be any personal attacks againt r' shach or the rebbe

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #125 on: February 07, 2012, 11:34:34 AM »
Since when is chabad into moshiach?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #126 on: February 07, 2012, 11:34:50 AM »
And if the lubavitcher rebbe will be moshiach I'll ask Eliyahu How a rebbe Like that (I wont go into details) could be moshiach.
but that's a far cry from it being against halachah to believe it.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #127 on: February 07, 2012, 11:35:54 AM »
this type of banter is what brings this thread down. there shouldnt be any personal attacks againt r' shach or the rebbe

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This kind of 'banter' is what delays the coming of Moshiach  :'( :'( :'(
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #128 on: February 07, 2012, 11:36:05 AM »
but that's a far cry from it being against halachah to believe it.
huh?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #129 on: February 07, 2012, 11:37:33 AM »
i only linked the blogger to show that the very person who put them in cherem, himself signed a 'psak din' that the rebbe IS moshiach
That just proves Dan's point.
These are a handful of crazies and even the most meshicist rabonim will say that what they say/do is 100% assur and against torah.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #130 on: February 07, 2012, 11:40:12 AM »
huh?
If he can't understand how the Rebbe can be Moshiach, that's fine.
But that doesn't mean those who do believe it fall outside the pale of orthodox judaism.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #131 on: February 07, 2012, 11:42:36 AM »
If he can't understand how the Rebbe can be Moshiach, that's fine.
But that doesn't mean those who do believe it fall outside the pale of orthodox judaism.
oh, i thought you meant something else entirely

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #132 on: February 07, 2012, 11:43:39 AM »
Why do you have to live your life believing S/o is moshiach. You cant know who it is and wont know till he comes. Why are all lubavitchers always connecting e/t to moshiach?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #133 on: February 07, 2012, 11:46:18 AM »
Why do you have to live your life believing S/o is moshiach. You cant know who it is and wont know till he comes. Why are all lubavitchers always connecting e/t to moshiach?
Again, this is a hergesh that comes as part of the Rebbe-Chosid relationship and isn't unique to chabad.  This has also been the beef of misnagdim for centuries.

As for me, I'm just wondering why anyone would care and get all hot and bothered over what someone else thinks?

Live and let live is my motto.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #134 on: February 07, 2012, 11:46:55 AM »
Why do you have to live your life believing S/o is moshiach. You cant know who it is and wont know till he comes. Why are all lubavitchers always connecting e/t to moshiach?
I take it this means you gave up on the kefirah/a"z angle and you're moving on to the next attack now?
(what's next? how can we put tefillin on someone who didn't wash negel vasser?)